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Whatever the cause truly is, any and all aviation disasters in the US will further increase scrutiny of Musk gutting the FAA.

tomrod 2y ago
Yeah, but that's one tiny area where Musk and Trump have caused recent chaos. Just today, social security servers, websites, etc. Treasury department systems.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
Why and how are these things related? I acknowledge you’re making an observation and not an argument.
- angoragoats 2y ago
  The FAA administrator left his post after Musk asked him to, on January 20. The FAA had no administrator until Trump appointed one, only after the plane and helicopter crashed into the Potomac. The lack of leadership at the FAA could not have helped the situation, even if it was not a direct cause of it.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-emails-air-traffic-controllers-quit-your-jobs/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-emails-air-traffic... > Air traffic controllers were emailed by the Trump administration urging them to quit their jobs and take mass “buyouts” just 24 hours after the D.C. plane crash. They were among hundreds of thousands of federal workers sent the email at 8.30 p.m. Thursday to push the extraordinary offer by Trump’s aides to get civil servants to quit en masse. The email dropped almost exactly 24 hours after an Army helicopter crashed into an American Airlines jet as it came into land at Reagan National Airport, killing 67 people. Just one air traffic controller was doing the work of two controllers at the time, early reports have suggested. FAA Faces Controller Staffing Challenges as Air Traffic Operations Return to Pre-Pandemic Levels at Critical Facilities [OIG Report AV2023035] - https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/FAA%20Controller%20Staffing%20and%20Training%20at%20Critical%20Facilities%20Final%20Report-06-21-23.pdf https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/FAA%20Controller... - June 21, 2023 Airline Close Calls Happen Far More Often Than Previously Known - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/21/business/airline-safety-close-calls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/21/business/airl... | https://archive.today/5qabt https://archive.today/5qabt - August 21, 2023 Drunk and Asleep on the Job: Air Traffic Controllers Pushed to the Brink - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-controllers-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-cont... | https://archive.today/h4gjo https://archive.today/h4gjo - December 2, 2023 The ATC labor force was already stretched thin before this. Tired, overworked humans make mistakes. There is no slack in the system, and it's being pushed further towards failure. Safe travels.
    - bmitc 2y ago
      Is this all real? We are headed into blatant corporate fascism. This is very scary stuff. Looking this stuff up, apparently it's now being reported that Musk has taken over the Office of Personnel Management and General Services Administration.
      - trescenzi 2y ago
        All federal workers were sent this email: https://www.opm.gov/fork https://www.opm.gov/fork
        bmitc 2y ago
        From the FAQ: > > Why am I being offered deferred resignation? > The federal workforce is expected to undergo significant near-term changes. As a result of these changes (or for other reasons), you may wish to depart the federal government on terms that provide you with sufficient time and economic security to plan for your future — and have a nice vacation.
    - aaomidi 2y ago
      Keep in mind that even getting an email like this is quite implicitly distressing. This being sent out to all ATC controllers means that you added an extra, unnecessary amount of uncertainty into their lives and that will directly translate to their work.
  - listenallyall 2y ago
    Sutely, when there is a head of the FAA, that person occasionally takes a vacation or other time off. These plane crashes are totally unrelated to politics or staffing.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      > Sutely, when there is a head of the FAA, that person occasionally takes a vacation or other time off. What does that have to do with anything? My boss takes vacations too, but if my team didn’t have a manager we would surely be worse off. > These plane crashes are totally unrelated to politics or staffing. Please provide a citation for this claim.
      - tastyfreeze 2y ago
        If the CEO of a corporation is absent does all the mid and bottom level stuff just stop working? FAA may have been headless but the head never really had anything to do with the people getting stuff done.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        If everyone in the company gets a “consider resigning” email, though? Probably some mayhem. https://www.opm.gov/fork https://www.opm.gov/fork > Below is the email that was sent to federal employees on January 28, 2025 presenting a deferred resignation offer. If you did not respond to that email and wish to accept the deferred resignation offer, you may do so by following these steps. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-administration-offering-buyouts-to-government-workers-unwilling-to-return-to-office/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-administration-offeri... > The White House expects up to 10% of federal employees to quit in September in a program meant to end work-from-home practices, senior administration officials told CBS News.
        tastyfreeze 2y ago
        Yes, I understand that. ATC was woefully understaffed and overworked long before Trump was in office. It would be really hard to definitively tie Trump actions to a particular incident.
  - Tycho 2y ago
    You are saying essentially that the authority in question was incredibly mismanaged and incapable if its staff would perform worse in their critical functions just because of some personnel changes at the top a few days prior.
    - whoknowsidont 2y ago
      So not only does this happen in any organization (instability leads to a decrease in over-all performance), but you're being REALLY dishonest by acting like this was the only thing the Trump admin did. Trump not only shut down multiple parts of the federal government but is actively trying to get people to quit. See: https://www.opm.gov/fork https://www.opm.gov/fork. Just go ahead and tell us how you think that affects people's cognitive load, especially in a job that already is stressful and overworked? See: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-controllers-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-cont...
- ahiknsr 2y ago
  > In April 2023, Whitaker grounded SpaceX for months after Starship’s maiden launch and only allowed a second attempt after an extensive investigation lasting until September of that year yielded 63 corrective actions to be taken. > “He needs to resign,” Musk wrote late last year, in response to one of his fans criticizing what he believed to be the FAA’s unwarranted meddling in the entrepreneur’s affairs. https://fortune.com/2025/01/31/faa-chris-rocheleau-elon-musk-mike-whitaker/ https://fortune.com/2025/01/31/faa-chris-rocheleau-elon-musk...
cdme 2y ago
I can't see how Musk could possibly improve the FAA. He'll gut it and deflect blame.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  The FAA dared try and fine SpaceX. Musk has had an agenda against the FAA since before Trump took office.
  - e40 2y ago
    It’s the big thing in common between Musk and Trump, their love for retribution.
HumblyTossed 2y ago
Nobody is going to be left to scrutinize anything much less have any power to do anything about it. If anyone is still doubting that we're under a full scale takeover of our country, get your head out of your ass.
esalman 2y ago
It is just sad that American voters have given Musk, who is running a ponzi scheme based on "FSD" that regularly kills people, the license to gut FAA. And immediately we have the first on air collision in 16 years.

tomrod 2y ago

Yeah, but that's one tiny area where Musk and Trump have caused recent chaos. Just today, social security servers, websites, etc. Treasury department systems.

DiggyJohnson 2y ago

Why and how are these things related? I acknowledge you’re making an observation and not an argument.

angoragoats 2y ago
The FAA administrator left his post after Musk asked him to, on January 20. The FAA had no administrator until Trump appointed one, only after the plane and helicopter crashed into the Potomac. The lack of leadership at the FAA could not have helped the situation, even if it was not a direct cause of it.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-emails-air-traffic-controllers-quit-your-jobs/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-emails-air-traffic... > Air traffic controllers were emailed by the Trump administration urging them to quit their jobs and take mass “buyouts” just 24 hours after the D.C. plane crash. They were among hundreds of thousands of federal workers sent the email at 8.30 p.m. Thursday to push the extraordinary offer by Trump’s aides to get civil servants to quit en masse. The email dropped almost exactly 24 hours after an Army helicopter crashed into an American Airlines jet as it came into land at Reagan National Airport, killing 67 people. Just one air traffic controller was doing the work of two controllers at the time, early reports have suggested. FAA Faces Controller Staffing Challenges as Air Traffic Operations Return to Pre-Pandemic Levels at Critical Facilities [OIG Report AV2023035] - https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/FAA%20Controller%20Staffing%20and%20Training%20at%20Critical%20Facilities%20Final%20Report-06-21-23.pdf https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/FAA%20Controller... - June 21, 2023 Airline Close Calls Happen Far More Often Than Previously Known - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/21/business/airline-safety-close-calls.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/21/business/airl... | https://archive.today/5qabt https://archive.today/5qabt - August 21, 2023 Drunk and Asleep on the Job: Air Traffic Controllers Pushed to the Brink - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-controllers-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-cont... | https://archive.today/h4gjo https://archive.today/h4gjo - December 2, 2023 The ATC labor force was already stretched thin before this. Tired, overworked humans make mistakes. There is no slack in the system, and it's being pushed further towards failure. Safe travels.
  - bmitc 2y ago
    Is this all real? We are headed into blatant corporate fascism. This is very scary stuff. Looking this stuff up, apparently it's now being reported that Musk has taken over the Office of Personnel Management and General Services Administration.
    - trescenzi 2y ago
      All federal workers were sent this email: https://www.opm.gov/fork https://www.opm.gov/fork
      - bmitc 2y ago
        From the FAQ: > > Why am I being offered deferred resignation? > The federal workforce is expected to undergo significant near-term changes. As a result of these changes (or for other reasons), you may wish to depart the federal government on terms that provide you with sufficient time and economic security to plan for your future — and have a nice vacation.
  - aaomidi 2y ago
    Keep in mind that even getting an email like this is quite implicitly distressing. This being sent out to all ATC controllers means that you added an extra, unnecessary amount of uncertainty into their lives and that will directly translate to their work.
- listenallyall 2y ago
  Sutely, when there is a head of the FAA, that person occasionally takes a vacation or other time off. These plane crashes are totally unrelated to politics or staffing.
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    > Sutely, when there is a head of the FAA, that person occasionally takes a vacation or other time off. What does that have to do with anything? My boss takes vacations too, but if my team didn’t have a manager we would surely be worse off. > These plane crashes are totally unrelated to politics or staffing. Please provide a citation for this claim.
    - tastyfreeze 2y ago
      If the CEO of a corporation is absent does all the mid and bottom level stuff just stop working? FAA may have been headless but the head never really had anything to do with the people getting stuff done.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        If everyone in the company gets a “consider resigning” email, though? Probably some mayhem. https://www.opm.gov/fork https://www.opm.gov/fork > Below is the email that was sent to federal employees on January 28, 2025 presenting a deferred resignation offer. If you did not respond to that email and wish to accept the deferred resignation offer, you may do so by following these steps. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-administration-offering-buyouts-to-government-workers-unwilling-to-return-to-office/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-administration-offeri... > The White House expects up to 10% of federal employees to quit in September in a program meant to end work-from-home practices, senior administration officials told CBS News.
        tastyfreeze 2y ago
        Yes, I understand that. ATC was woefully understaffed and overworked long before Trump was in office. It would be really hard to definitively tie Trump actions to a particular incident.
- Tycho 2y ago
  You are saying essentially that the authority in question was incredibly mismanaged and incapable if its staff would perform worse in their critical functions just because of some personnel changes at the top a few days prior.
  - whoknowsidont 2y ago
    So not only does this happen in any organization (instability leads to a decrease in over-all performance), but you're being REALLY dishonest by acting like this was the only thing the Trump admin did. Trump not only shut down multiple parts of the federal government but is actively trying to get people to quit. See: https://www.opm.gov/fork https://www.opm.gov/fork. Just go ahead and tell us how you think that affects people's cognitive load, especially in a job that already is stressful and overworked? See: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-controllers-safety.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/02/business/air-traffic-cont...
ahiknsr 2y ago
> In April 2023, Whitaker grounded SpaceX for months after Starship’s maiden launch and only allowed a second attempt after an extensive investigation lasting until September of that year yielded 63 corrective actions to be taken. > “He needs to resign,” Musk wrote late last year, in response to one of his fans criticizing what he believed to be the FAA’s unwarranted meddling in the entrepreneur’s affairs. https://fortune.com/2025/01/31/faa-chris-rocheleau-elon-musk-mike-whitaker/ https://fortune.com/2025/01/31/faa-chris-rocheleau-elon-musk...

cdme 2y ago

I can't see how Musk could possibly improve the FAA. He'll gut it and deflect blame.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
The FAA dared try and fine SpaceX. Musk has had an agenda against the FAA since before Trump took office.
- e40 2y ago
  It’s the big thing in common between Musk and Trump, their love for retribution.

HumblyTossed 2y ago

Nobody is going to be left to scrutinize anything much less have any power to do anything about it. If anyone is still doubting that we're under a full scale takeover of our country, get your head out of your ass.

esalman 2y ago

It is just sad that American voters have given Musk, who is running a ponzi scheme based on "FSD" that regularly kills people, the license to gut FAA. And immediately we have the first on air collision in 16 years.