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> Whereas if Trump is talking about DEI stuff, regardless of the details, you can deduce that ... ... it's consistent with his lifelong racism, as well as the

by jibal 2y ago

> Whereas if Trump is talking about DEI stuff, regardless of the details, you can deduce that ... ... it's consistent with his lifelong racism, as well as the racism that permeates Project 2025. On day one he rescinded LBJ's executive order from 1964 barring federal contractors from discriminating.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
Accusations of racism have been bandied about with such reckless abandon that they've lost all meaning without specifics and hard evidence of context. Employers are prohibited from discriminating by statute which can't be amended by executive order. The executive order in question was regarding the use of affirmative action.
- vkou 2y ago
  If a little Sieg Heil at the inauguration didn't convince you that this administration is pretty down with racism, I don't believe there's any evidence on Earth that will. Specific, hard evidence, all in context, the man who gave it got an ovation and an office built in the White House, and a free hand in the agencies that are supposed to be regulating him.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    You're referring to the thing the Anti-Defamation League called "not a Nazi salute" and the prime minister of Israel said he "is being falsely smeared". It's exactly what I mean by reckless abandon. It's a desperation to find something regardless of whether it's actually there. It seems like we've gotten to the point that actual racists are so uncommon that people have forgotten what they look like: > "We recognize the fact of the inferiority stamped upon that race of men by the Creator" -Jefferson Davis (referring to black people) > "Anyone who has traveled in the Far East knows that the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results." -FDR > "We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race." -Strom Thurmond These quotes are not ambiguous or taken out of context. If you had asked these people if they were being misconstrued, they would have reiterated their positions, because they were actually racists who thought that other races were inferior and openly favored slavery or internment or segregation. And it's sad that we're losing the ability to distinguish these things because of all the crying wolf.
    - vkou 2y ago
      I'm referring to the thing that anyone with eyes can see is a Nazi salute. There's a beautiful side by side video clip of Elon actually throwing his heart out to the audience, and you'd have to be blind to think it's the same thing. Who should I believe? My lying eyes? Or what the prime minister of a country that's courting US support in an internationally unpopular war says to curry favor? https://www.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1i8ajx0/video_of_musk_making_an_actual_my_heart_goes_out/ https://www.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1i8ajx0/video_of_... https://video.ploud.fr/w/9mao3sy1hTRcmionRpryX8 https://video.ploud.fr/w/9mao3sy1hTRcmionRpryX8 The man's grandparents were registered Nazis, the man's rubbing elbows with the AFD, he's throwing out the 'roman salute' to thunderous applause at a political rally, and you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to explain how no, no, this is all a smear job against an innocent man. How can you not see it? It's hard to tell if you're cynically taking the piss out of me, or if you can actually look at clip, and see something else.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        There is a reason that doesn't make any sense: He did it in public, but then denies that's what it was. If he was trying to be open about it then there would be no reason to deny it. If he wasn't trying to be open about it there would be no reason to purposely do it to begin with.
        vkou 2y ago
        > There is a reason that doesn't make any sense: He did it in public, but then denies that's what it was. Doing it then pretending that he doesn't do it carries two messages. For actual fascists, it's an indication that he's will support them, and that they should support him. For people apologizing for fascists, the denial provides them the chance to spill gallons on ink on speculating about his state of mind and other plausible deniability for their insistence that he's not really courting fascists. When someone does one thing, but says another, believe what they do, not what they say. Doubly so in politics. There's no ambiguity in this symbol, or what it represents. Believe your eyes.
- jibal 2y ago
  Your statements are false.

by jibal 2y ago

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

Accusations of racism have been bandied about with such reckless abandon that they've lost all meaning without specifics and hard evidence of context. Employers are prohibited from discriminating by statute which can't be amended by executive order. The executive order in question was regarding the use of affirmative action.

vkou 2y ago
If a little Sieg Heil at the inauguration didn't convince you that this administration is pretty down with racism, I don't believe there's any evidence on Earth that will. Specific, hard evidence, all in context, the man who gave it got an ovation and an office built in the White House, and a free hand in the agencies that are supposed to be regulating him.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  You're referring to the thing the Anti-Defamation League called "not a Nazi salute" and the prime minister of Israel said he "is being falsely smeared". It's exactly what I mean by reckless abandon. It's a desperation to find something regardless of whether it's actually there. It seems like we've gotten to the point that actual racists are so uncommon that people have forgotten what they look like: > "We recognize the fact of the inferiority stamped upon that race of men by the Creator" -Jefferson Davis (referring to black people) > "Anyone who has traveled in the Far East knows that the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results." -FDR > "We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race." -Strom Thurmond These quotes are not ambiguous or taken out of context. If you had asked these people if they were being misconstrued, they would have reiterated their positions, because they were actually racists who thought that other races were inferior and openly favored slavery or internment or segregation. And it's sad that we're losing the ability to distinguish these things because of all the crying wolf.
  - vkou 2y ago
    I'm referring to the thing that anyone with eyes can see is a Nazi salute. There's a beautiful side by side video clip of Elon actually throwing his heart out to the audience, and you'd have to be blind to think it's the same thing. Who should I believe? My lying eyes? Or what the prime minister of a country that's courting US support in an internationally unpopular war says to curry favor? https://www.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1i8ajx0/video_of_musk_making_an_actual_my_heart_goes_out/ https://www.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1i8ajx0/video_of_... https://video.ploud.fr/w/9mao3sy1hTRcmionRpryX8 https://video.ploud.fr/w/9mao3sy1hTRcmionRpryX8 The man's grandparents were registered Nazis, the man's rubbing elbows with the AFD, he's throwing out the 'roman salute' to thunderous applause at a political rally, and you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to explain how no, no, this is all a smear job against an innocent man. How can you not see it? It's hard to tell if you're cynically taking the piss out of me, or if you can actually look at clip, and see something else.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      There is a reason that doesn't make any sense: He did it in public, but then denies that's what it was. If he was trying to be open about it then there would be no reason to deny it. If he wasn't trying to be open about it there would be no reason to purposely do it to begin with.
      - vkou 2y ago
        > There is a reason that doesn't make any sense: He did it in public, but then denies that's what it was. Doing it then pretending that he doesn't do it carries two messages. For actual fascists, it's an indication that he's will support them, and that they should support him. For people apologizing for fascists, the denial provides them the chance to spill gallons on ink on speculating about his state of mind and other plausible deniability for their insistence that he's not really courting fascists. When someone does one thing, but says another, believe what they do, not what they say. Doubly so in politics. There's no ambiguity in this symbol, or what it represents. Believe your eyes.
jibal 2y ago
Your statements are false.