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No, I am not assuming they equated the brutality. Please feel free to make a specific point instead of just saying "You read it poorly". OP finished their post

No, I am not assuming they equated the brutality. Please feel free to make a specific point instead of just saying "You read it poorly". OP finished their post with: > Meanwhile, I can ask ChatGPT, "Tell me about the MOVE bombing of 1985," and get a detailed answer, yet nothing changes. Here in the US, we don’t even hold onto the hope that knowing the truth could make a difference. Unlike the Chinese, we're hopeless. Everything I wrote in my post was in reference to this point. "yet nothing changes" -> "How many other times after the move bombing did a city bomb out violent criminals in a densely packed neighborhood?" "we don’t even hold onto the hope that knowing the truth could make a difference" -> I listed all of the actions that went from "knowing the truth" to "making a difference". Would any of those things have happened if knowledge of the events was suppressed among the population, in the manner that Tiananmen square was?

skyyler 2y ago
>"yet nothing changes" -> "How many other times after the move bombing did a city bomb out violent criminals in a densely packed neighborhood?" How many times since 1989 has the chinese communist party rolled tanks over a crowded city square during a student protest in Beijing's main square? I can tell what you're doing here and I think I'll refuse to engage. Have a nice weekend.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  That's hard to tell. How would even know if the system is good enough at censoring? How many things have happened in Tibet or Xinjiang that we have no idea of?What would our understanding of Tiananmen square have been if a few western reporters weren't present for the events? "There was a protest and everyone was told to go home" Yes, it should be pretty clear what I'm doing: pushing back that on the idea that a heavily censored society is actually healthier than an uncensored or less censored one.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > How many times since 1989 has the chinese communist party rolled tanks over a crowded city square during a student protest in Beijing's main square Uh, Hong Kong [1][2]. Also, in case you're being serious, the problem in Tiananmen wasn't tanks rolling into the city. It was the Army gunning down children [3]. [1] https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/disappearing-children-of-hong-kong-forgotten-in-the-protest-chaos-20190905-p52ohx.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/disappearing-children-of-h... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Military_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...
  - skyyler 2y ago
    Did they use tanks in Hong Kong?
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Did they use tanks in Hong Kong? This is sort of like arguing America has solved redlining because mortgage bankers aren't doing it with a red marker.
      - skyyler 2y ago
        Well, it’s more like saying America has solved police brutality because they aren’t bombing civilians anymore.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > it’s more like saying America has solved police brutality because they aren’t bombing civilians anymore Correct. These statements are all wrong. But magnitude matters. Haiti and Monaco aren’t homicidal twins because both have >1 murders.

skyyler 2y ago

>"yet nothing changes" -> "How many other times after the move bombing did a city bomb out violent criminals in a densely packed neighborhood?" How many times since 1989 has the chinese communist party rolled tanks over a crowded city square during a student protest in Beijing's main square? I can tell what you're doing here and I think I'll refuse to engage. Have a nice weekend.

IncreasePosts 2y ago
That's hard to tell. How would even know if the system is good enough at censoring? How many things have happened in Tibet or Xinjiang that we have no idea of?What would our understanding of Tiananmen square have been if a few western reporters weren't present for the events? "There was a protest and everyone was told to go home" Yes, it should be pretty clear what I'm doing: pushing back that on the idea that a heavily censored society is actually healthier than an uncensored or less censored one.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> How many times since 1989 has the chinese communist party rolled tanks over a crowded city square during a student protest in Beijing's main square Uh, Hong Kong [1][2]. Also, in case you're being serious, the problem in Tiananmen wasn't tanks rolling into the city. It was the Army gunning down children [3]. [1] https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/disappearing-children-of-hong-kong-forgotten-in-the-protest-chaos-20190905-p52ohx.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/disappearing-children-of-h... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Military_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...
- skyyler 2y ago
  Did they use tanks in Hong Kong?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Did they use tanks in Hong Kong? This is sort of like arguing America has solved redlining because mortgage bankers aren't doing it with a red marker.
    - skyyler 2y ago
      Well, it’s more like saying America has solved police brutality because they aren’t bombing civilians anymore.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > it’s more like saying America has solved police brutality because they aren’t bombing civilians anymore Correct. These statements are all wrong. But magnitude matters. Haiti and Monaco aren’t homicidal twins because both have >1 murders.