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insane that this is client-side.
by tills13 2y ago
insane that this is client-side.
- atq2119 2y agoPerhaps a case of subversion by following the letter but not the spirit of an order?
- LordDragonfang 2y agoChatGPT had basically ALL of their prompt filtering client-side for a while, at a separate API endpoint, so as long as you blocked that endpoint you could basically ignore the content filters. (You would still get refusals from the model sometimes, but this was in the heyday of jailbreaks, and once you got a model going it would usually see that context and be willing to continue basically anything.)
- KTibow 2y agoI don't know how it wouldn't be - it can't retract things already sent to the client. (The alternative is to moderate every chunk server side before sending it back, like Gemini does.)
- Ancalagon 2y agomore like hilarious
- dheera 2y agoNot really if you understand how China works. DeepSeek software developers are not the ones who want to censor anything. There is just a universal threat from getting shut down by the government if the model starts spitting out a bunch of sensitive stuff, so any business in China needs to be proactive about voluntarily censoring things that are likely to be sensitive, if they want to stay in business. If your censorship implementation is good enough for 99.9% of people to get censored, you're good. A client-side implementation is good enough until/unless a lot of people start exploiting it, in which case you should put effort and proactively do something else to restore it to 99.9%, e.g. move it to the backend. If the government sees that you are being proactive about it, you'll still be fine. At that point, maybe you will still find 0.1% of people bypassing censorship with some highly obscure and difficult jailbreak, but that probably doesn't matter. If that difficult jailbreak becomes widely known, then be proactive again.
- pineaux 2y agoThis. What makes this extra "funny" is that it implies that at least every business that builds something that can move information around must be knowledgeable about tianenman square and other chinese atrocities. Or else they would not be able to censor relevant questions. I have been to China a bunch of times and generally, they know what horrible things the Chinese gov did. They either say something like: "Yeah well, we live in a dictatorship, but it's not that bad" Or: "Yeah, the government is fucked up, but look at the government of the USA! We don't start wars in other countries and put in puppet governments." And there are so many good counters to both these arguments.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago> it implies that at least every business that builds something that can move information around must be knowledgeable about tianenman square Everyone's heard of the "Streisand effect", but there's layers of subtlety. A quite famous paper in attachment psychology by John Bowlby "On knowing what you are not supposed to know and feeling what you are not supposed to feel" is worth considering. Constructive ignorance (literally ignoring certain things) is a survival mechanism. Yes, everyone in China knows about Tianamen, specifically because the government want to censor it. Much of how we navigate the social world is watching for the things people don't talk about, seeing where their fears lie.
- pizza 2y agoIt's the kind of thing that, the less you (China) deny, the better the ridiculousness of the censorship meme in foreign countries (ie USA this week) and actually becomes its own self-sustaining meme. Like an antimimetic meme, that actually looks like a meme (that nobody knows about it in China) if you didn't know any better (in the USA).
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- Terr_ 2y ago> Constructive ignorance See also: "Doublethink" in 1984. > To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself.
- switch007 2y agoLots of us have seen way worse hah Such as client side control of prices when placing an order
- dkga 2y agoClient-side because it reacts to local cookies?
- Gigachad 2y agoIt’s because they want to show the output live rather than nothing for a minute. But that means once the censor system detects something, you have to send out a request to delete the previously displayed content. This doesn’t matter because censoring the system isn’t that important, they just want to avoid news articles about how their system generated something bad.
- bolognafairy 2y agoErn, in DeepSeek’s case, it’s not “news articles” that they’d be most concerned about.
- miohtama 2y agoThey have the same fear as everyone else "teenager learns how to cook napalm from an AI"
- mantas 2y agoMore like teenager learns about Tiananmen and Uighurs from AI. Or a joke about men and women in western counterparts.
- pegasus 2y agoThe concerns you mention don't exclude the ones GP posits.
- yndoendo 2y agoDon't need AI for such things. Just search for the Anarchist Cookbook in a search engine. [0] Amazon even sells it. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/0962303208 https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/...
- miohtama 2y agoExactly
- ramon156 2y agoThis is better than lobotomizing a transformer