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1. Easier to keep one program update. i.e browser. use firefox (or its nerfed clones) if you hate Google or Apple 2. For any decent software it needs update. E

1. Easier to keep one program update. i.e browser. use firefox (or its nerfed clones) if you hate Google or Apple 2. For any decent software it needs update. Even most opensource tools are hundreds of MB. For example, a school teacher in Zambia does not need to download digikam or okular or notepad++ or ffmpeg every week to get security updates. > it helps nothing with keeping your data secure from actors you dont realize are bad Once you enter that then you have only https://www.raptorengineering.com/ https://www.raptorengineering.com/ and using terminal.

tartoran 2y ago
Not saying updates aren't necessary, especially security related but I loved we slowed down with the pace of updates, many times forceful updates that brake things that used to work. Many times users no longer have the latitude to make the choice when to update. They also brick devices that can't take up their updates rendering them obsolete. Updates aren't something inherently bad but they're being used in evil ways with no resort from users other than leave.
- faust201 2y ago
  Even if it is every 6 months one program is easier to update and control than different ones. Usually even if Ubuntu or Windows is never updated - download and updating firefox is stable. Nothing fails. But if one thinks something like KDE or digikam or other complex tools - it updates 200 libraries that eventually lead to some f'kup - either unusable or driver conflicts in case of Windows. This brick/EOL is a different issue but common man benefits from simplicity. Yes, environment is trashed or software obsolescence - but yet - most of them buy a new phone or device every at least 5 years (of course, I am talking within my circles - there may be people at different ends). I used to buy expensive nexus phones. Then I realised I use only WhatsApp and Banking. Now I buy cheapest Motoroola for $100. Works fine. Become EOL in 2 years as they are bad in updates. Get another one for $100. Latest OS. Instead if one spends latest pixel flagship for $800 - no benefits. > Updates aren't something inherently bad but they're being used in evil ways with no resort from users other than leave. Yes there is no resort but people live in real life. They need banking, recent cool apps etc. Some could live like RMS and not use anything modern or use Terminal but most people don't.
bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
> Easier to keep one program update. i.e browser. You must be relying on inferior update mechanism. This is a solved problem since long with a central package repository as you will find in most linux distros. On windows you have scoop, chocolathy and winget (from microsoft btw) attempting something similar, on macos there is macports and homebrew. > Even most opensource tools are hundreds of MB Even if this was true, and it isnt, I dont think you realize how heavy most web pages are today. Those hundreds of MB is used up fast, while the offline app is still there. > For example, a school teacher in Zambia does not need to download digikam or okular or notepad++ or ffmpeg every week to get security updates. Agreed. Noone needs to do that. If you are concerned with security, then you should also learn to understand your attack surface. Otherwise it is just FUD. Example dont feed ffmpeg with unknown files in a uncontrolled fashion. You should understand that the videos you recorded yourself are safe and wouldnt need the very latest update to be processed. > Once you enter that then you have only https://www.raptorengineering.com/ https://www.raptorengineering.com/ and using terminal. What, no. Using normal offline apps is all it takes.

tartoran 2y ago

Not saying updates aren't necessary, especially security related but I loved we slowed down with the pace of updates, many times forceful updates that brake things that used to work. Many times users no longer have the latitude to make the choice when to update. They also brick devices that can't take up their updates rendering them obsolete. Updates aren't something inherently bad but they're being used in evil ways with no resort from users other than leave.

faust201 2y ago
Even if it is every 6 months one program is easier to update and control than different ones. Usually even if Ubuntu or Windows is never updated - download and updating firefox is stable. Nothing fails. But if one thinks something like KDE or digikam or other complex tools - it updates 200 libraries that eventually lead to some f'kup - either unusable or driver conflicts in case of Windows. This brick/EOL is a different issue but common man benefits from simplicity. Yes, environment is trashed or software obsolescence - but yet - most of them buy a new phone or device every at least 5 years (of course, I am talking within my circles - there may be people at different ends). I used to buy expensive nexus phones. Then I realised I use only WhatsApp and Banking. Now I buy cheapest Motoroola for $100. Works fine. Become EOL in 2 years as they are bad in updates. Get another one for $100. Latest OS. Instead if one spends latest pixel flagship for $800 - no benefits. > Updates aren't something inherently bad but they're being used in evil ways with no resort from users other than leave. Yes there is no resort but people live in real life. They need banking, recent cool apps etc. Some could live like RMS and not use anything modern or use Terminal but most people don't.

bdhcuidbebe 2y ago

> Easier to keep one program update. i.e browser. You must be relying on inferior update mechanism. This is a solved problem since long with a central package repository as you will find in most linux distros. On windows you have scoop, chocolathy and winget (from microsoft btw) attempting something similar, on macos there is macports and homebrew. > Even most opensource tools are hundreds of MB Even if this was true, and it isnt, I dont think you realize how heavy most web pages are today. Those hundreds of MB is used up fast, while the offline app is still there. > For example, a school teacher in Zambia does not need to download digikam or okular or notepad++ or ffmpeg every week to get security updates. Agreed. Noone needs to do that. If you are concerned with security, then you should also learn to understand your attack surface. Otherwise it is just FUD. Example dont feed ffmpeg with unknown files in a uncontrolled fashion. You should understand that the videos you recorded yourself are safe and wouldnt need the very latest update to be processed. > Once you enter that then you have only https://www.raptorengineering.com/ https://www.raptorengineering.com/ and using terminal. What, no. Using normal offline apps is all it takes.