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If you haven’t noticed, Vance has no power in the administration. It’s completely a Trump/Musk show and Tim Cook kisses the ring as well as any CEO. My bet i

If you haven’t noticed, Vance has no power in the administration. It’s completely a Trump/Musk show and Tim Cook kisses the ring as well as any CEO. My bet is that Trump will have this whole thing dropped now that Apple is involved. You notice that during the first administration that Apple was never affected by the Chinese tarriffs

AnotherGoodName 2y ago
And google seems to have fallen in line with the current regime completely too.
- mistercheph 2y ago
  and before they were... fiercely independent? Ll0l
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - Terr_ 2y ago
    Regardless of the subject's personality, these are fundamentally different kinds of relationship: 1. Try to look like you're following the law so that nothing happens. 2. Give personal favors and praise to a corrupt cop so that nothing happens.
    - nostromo 2y ago
      There’s plenty of evidence now that all of big tech was working with the Biden administration to censor their political opponents. We need a law or a court decision that says that the government isn’t allowed to restrict citizens speech by proxy by pressuring private organizations. Because this is going to keep getting worse if not.
      - Terr_ 2y ago
        > plenty of evidence now What's the best concrete example?
        nostromo 2y ago
        It’s probably not worth bothering to reply. (Political arguments on the internet are dumb and I doubt you’re actually curious to learn more.) But if you actually want to know, look at what Zuckerberg has said since the election, read reporting on the Twitter Files, and look into who was responsible for lobbying tech to ban Trump from all platforms after he lost in 2020. The Republicans I’m sure will now use all these tactics to their own ends, and the previous four years will be forgotten.
        Terr_ 2y ago
        Hold up, you're the one who chose to introduce the topic of censorship just moments ago, why are you suddenly making excuses and running away from answering the easiest[0] question about the thing you wanted to share? I'll level with you: I'm getting the same vibes as the "2020 election was stolen" folks, where they also kept insisting there was "plenty of evidence" but refused to ever show it. It was literally an article of faith that something incontrovertible was always just +1 hop away and someone else had it somewhere, trust me go ask them instead. Eventually, when dozens of court cases across the nation finally forces them to "put up or shut up"... they couldn't! It was all fluff like "some guy said a friend of his heard a story that", or "poll workers packed up a box and I don't know what was in it but it must have been uncounted ballots", and "I saw one worker hand something to another and I didn't see it clearly but it must have been a USB stick for some kind of evil." [0] OK, maybe not the easiest if two items are a close comparison, but FFS nobody's insisting on that kind of accuracy.
        worik 2y ago
        > read reporting on the Twitter Files Really? I get the impression there is much less freedom of speech on X than there was on Twitter. I actually do not care myself how people run their platforms, I do not use that one. But from where I sit, and what I see, Musk is very controlling on what is said on his (privatly owned) platform Good on him. He is taking advantage of the tools available to him
ImJamal 2y ago
If Musk had a lot of power, why did Trump invite Sam Altman to speak and spoke positively of him? Musk and Altman hate each other.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Musk is literally an appointed government official of a made up department
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    DOGE is not a government department and as such any members of it are not government officials Regardless, what does that have to do with Musk having one of his enemies given a spot light by Trump?
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/establishing-and-implementing-the-presidents-department-of-government-efficiency/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...
      - ImJamal 2y ago
        There were so many Executive Orders I completely missed that. Regardless, the news articles I just checked seems to indicate that Musk has not actually joined the government agency at this point. Even if he has, it is irrelevant to my actual argument. If Musk wields power with Trump then why was Altman given a platform? Musk and Altman aren't fans of each other. Trump even said Elon hates Altman.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        https://fortune.com/2025/01/30/elon-musk-return-to-office-extremes-sleeping-doge-dc-headquarters/ https://fortune.com/2025/01/30/elon-musk-return-to-office-ex... > Musk, heading said operations, says he is working out of DOGE’s headquarters in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building
epolanski 2y ago
Why does the president has anything to say about this. It's crazy to me how many things a single person can do in US, and you call that a democracy.

AnotherGoodName 2y ago

And google seems to have fallen in line with the current regime completely too.

mistercheph 2y ago
and before they were... fiercely independent? Ll0l
- deleted 2y ago
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- Terr_ 2y ago
  Regardless of the subject's personality, these are fundamentally different kinds of relationship: 1. Try to look like you're following the law so that nothing happens. 2. Give personal favors and praise to a corrupt cop so that nothing happens.
  - nostromo 2y ago
    There’s plenty of evidence now that all of big tech was working with the Biden administration to censor their political opponents. We need a law or a court decision that says that the government isn’t allowed to restrict citizens speech by proxy by pressuring private organizations. Because this is going to keep getting worse if not.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      > plenty of evidence now What's the best concrete example?
      - nostromo 2y ago
        It’s probably not worth bothering to reply. (Political arguments on the internet are dumb and I doubt you’re actually curious to learn more.) But if you actually want to know, look at what Zuckerberg has said since the election, read reporting on the Twitter Files, and look into who was responsible for lobbying tech to ban Trump from all platforms after he lost in 2020. The Republicans I’m sure will now use all these tactics to their own ends, and the previous four years will be forgotten.
        Terr_ 2y ago
        Hold up, you're the one who chose to introduce the topic of censorship just moments ago, why are you suddenly making excuses and running away from answering the easiest[0] question about the thing you wanted to share? I'll level with you: I'm getting the same vibes as the "2020 election was stolen" folks, where they also kept insisting there was "plenty of evidence" but refused to ever show it. It was literally an article of faith that something incontrovertible was always just +1 hop away and someone else had it somewhere, trust me go ask them instead. Eventually, when dozens of court cases across the nation finally forces them to "put up or shut up"... they couldn't! It was all fluff like "some guy said a friend of his heard a story that", or "poll workers packed up a box and I don't know what was in it but it must have been uncounted ballots", and "I saw one worker hand something to another and I didn't see it clearly but it must have been a USB stick for some kind of evil." [0] OK, maybe not the easiest if two items are a close comparison, but FFS nobody's insisting on that kind of accuracy.
        worik 2y ago
        > read reporting on the Twitter Files Really? I get the impression there is much less freedom of speech on X than there was on Twitter. I actually do not care myself how people run their platforms, I do not use that one. But from where I sit, and what I see, Musk is very controlling on what is said on his (privatly owned) platform Good on him. He is taking advantage of the tools available to him

ImJamal 2y ago

If Musk had a lot of power, why did Trump invite Sam Altman to speak and spoke positively of him? Musk and Altman hate each other.

scarface_74 2y ago
Musk is literally an appointed government official of a made up department
- ImJamal 2y ago
  DOGE is not a government department and as such any members of it are not government officials Regardless, what does that have to do with Musk having one of his enemies given a spot light by Trump?
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/establishing-and-implementing-the-presidents-department-of-government-efficiency/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...
    - ImJamal 2y ago
      There were so many Executive Orders I completely missed that. Regardless, the news articles I just checked seems to indicate that Musk has not actually joined the government agency at this point. Even if he has, it is irrelevant to my actual argument. If Musk wields power with Trump then why was Altman given a platform? Musk and Altman aren't fans of each other. Trump even said Elon hates Altman.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        https://fortune.com/2025/01/30/elon-musk-return-to-office-extremes-sleeping-doge-dc-headquarters/ https://fortune.com/2025/01/30/elon-musk-return-to-office-ex... > Musk, heading said operations, says he is working out of DOGE’s headquarters in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building

epolanski 2y ago

Why does the president has anything to say about this. It's crazy to me how many things a single person can do in US, and you call that a democracy.