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Also, what will apple do - make Google not the default? Giving users bing or whatever will just piss off a lot of people.

dumbfounder 2y ago
Develop their own crappy version and rely on most people not noticing. (Apple Maps)
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  Google search has already become crappy enough. I doubt Apples would do so much worse at this point.
- sthatipamala 2y ago
  Your info might be outdated. Apple Maps is actually better than Google Maps in many ways (e.g. it says "pass this light and at the next one, turn left" instead of "in 300 feet, turn left")
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  I notice that I don’t see ads in Apple Maps.
JKCalhoun 2y ago
Option 1: Present the choices on the Setup screen when you install the new iOS. Option 2: Leave the default NULL and when the user first hits search in iOS (and default is NULL), present the list of search providers.
- iforgot22 2y ago
  If they're still not being paid for those choices, I don't see why Apple would do this instead of just making the default Google (or something else reasonable).
  - jeroenhd 2y ago
    In the EU both Google and Microsoft have such selection screens for search engines (and at some point browsers) because of antitrust concerns. I believe Apple also has a browser selection screen on iOS, but I'm not sure if this is the case for search engines. If antitrust rulings make the case that any such big tech deals are illegal, Apple may not have a choice in the matter.
    - iforgot22 2y ago
      It's possible that Apple could be forced to do this, but just want to note that the EU Google and Microsoft thing is different. The EU didn't want them to push their own browsers, search engines, or other software on users.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  Sure - but what I mean is that Apple seems to be stuck without any good options here. Even if they don't get the $20B/yr, most users will probably either choose google search, or be upset if they don't get google search on mobile safari.
  - JKCalhoun 2y ago
    I see your point. Apple can no doubt weather the loss of $20B.
madeofpalk 2y ago
It seems the main thing the DoJ is upset about is that Apple hasn't developed a search engine themselves, because they have these deals with Google.
- SteveNuts 2y ago
  Surprised Apple and Google haven't just come to an agreement for Apple to "create their own" search engine which uses Google as the backend to work around it.
  - madeofpalk 2y ago
    This is pretty much exactly one of DoJ's proposed remedies they're trying to force Google to do https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/27/24302415/doj-google-search-antitrust-remedies-chrome-android#nGgNdB https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/27/24302415/doj-google-sear...
- iforgot22 2y ago
  So they want more vertical integration?

dumbfounder 2y ago

Develop their own crappy version and rely on most people not noticing. (Apple Maps)

Cumpiler69 2y ago
Google search has already become crappy enough. I doubt Apples would do so much worse at this point.
sthatipamala 2y ago
Your info might be outdated. Apple Maps is actually better than Google Maps in many ways (e.g. it says "pass this light and at the next one, turn left" instead of "in 300 feet, turn left")
lotsofpulp 2y ago
I notice that I don’t see ads in Apple Maps.

JKCalhoun 2y ago

Option 1: Present the choices on the Setup screen when you install the new iOS. Option 2: Leave the default NULL and when the user first hits search in iOS (and default is NULL), present the list of search providers.

iforgot22 2y ago
If they're still not being paid for those choices, I don't see why Apple would do this instead of just making the default Google (or something else reasonable).
- jeroenhd 2y ago
  In the EU both Google and Microsoft have such selection screens for search engines (and at some point browsers) because of antitrust concerns. I believe Apple also has a browser selection screen on iOS, but I'm not sure if this is the case for search engines. If antitrust rulings make the case that any such big tech deals are illegal, Apple may not have a choice in the matter.
  - iforgot22 2y ago
    It's possible that Apple could be forced to do this, but just want to note that the EU Google and Microsoft thing is different. The EU didn't want them to push their own browsers, search engines, or other software on users.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
Sure - but what I mean is that Apple seems to be stuck without any good options here. Even if they don't get the $20B/yr, most users will probably either choose google search, or be upset if they don't get google search on mobile safari.
- JKCalhoun 2y ago
  I see your point. Apple can no doubt weather the loss of $20B.

madeofpalk 2y ago

It seems the main thing the DoJ is upset about is that Apple hasn't developed a search engine themselves, because they have these deals with Google.

SteveNuts 2y ago
Surprised Apple and Google haven't just come to an agreement for Apple to "create their own" search engine which uses Google as the backend to work around it.
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  This is pretty much exactly one of DoJ's proposed remedies they're trying to force Google to do https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/27/24302415/doj-google-search-antitrust-remedies-chrome-android#nGgNdB https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/27/24302415/doj-google-sear...
iforgot22 2y ago
So they want more vertical integration?