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I really also don't understand this. I started using Linux on server OS around 2010. I think this was not long before SystemD was available in Ubuntu by default

by 7bit 2y ago

I really also don't understand this. I started using Linux on server OS around 2010. I think this was not long before SystemD was available in Ubuntu by default. I found writing or even understanding init scripts was really difficult for me. When I first had to get a program running under SystemD it clicked immediately and it took me about 4 hours to get it run reliably and that includes learning systemd. I find it easier and better on so many levels!

constantcrying 2y ago
Systemd is one of the most complex and difficult to understand parts of your system. Did you know it contains a virtualization manager. >I find it easier and better on so many levels! Openrc is by any possible standard easier to use. Among the reasons is that it does not include a way to create virtual machines.
- 7bit 2y ago
  I did not know and I must not know that to get a service running on start.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >I did not know and I must not know that to get a service running on start. Exactly. So why is it part of your init system? Can you think of a reason why it is not a totally separate project which is totally independent of systemd? From a surface glance systemd and openrc are almost identical. Both require very little to get something to work. The difference is that systemd does a million things more. What you probably should know though is that many systemd distros do not have a real fstab, the fstab is just a file which systemd uses to create mount units, which are then used during boot. Another important piece of knowledge is what a systemd "transaction" is, that is a very unintuitive concept which you absolutely need to know if you are debugging on your init system.
    - growse 2y ago
      > Exactly. So why is it part of your init system? Is it? Systemd is not an init system. One component of systemd is an init. There are other components.
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        And that is why people hate systemd. Legitimately one of the worst software projects in existence.
        growse 2y ago
        People hate it because one part of it is designed to run as pid 1? I don't follow. (People hate systemd? They hate a piece of software? Eesh)
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Yes, I certainly do hate systemd. Its pid has nothing to do with it. What has to do with it is people being unable to tell you why it contains a virtualization manager. In fact the response "it is not an init system" tells you pretty much everything. It is a terrible piece of software, which has completely lost all focus.
        growse 2y ago
        I hope you get to a happier, less angry place in your life where you no longer hate an inanimate piece of software.
        CRConrad 2y ago
        I hope you get to a friendlier, more enlightened place in your life where you no longer feel the need to retreat from your lack of an actual argument into supercilious snark disguised as patronising benevolence.
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by 7bit 2y ago

constantcrying 2y ago

Systemd is one of the most complex and difficult to understand parts of your system. Did you know it contains a virtualization manager. >I find it easier and better on so many levels! Openrc is by any possible standard easier to use. Among the reasons is that it does not include a way to create virtual machines.

7bit 2y ago
I did not know and I must not know that to get a service running on start.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >I did not know and I must not know that to get a service running on start. Exactly. So why is it part of your init system? Can you think of a reason why it is not a totally separate project which is totally independent of systemd? From a surface glance systemd and openrc are almost identical. Both require very little to get something to work. The difference is that systemd does a million things more. What you probably should know though is that many systemd distros do not have a real fstab, the fstab is just a file which systemd uses to create mount units, which are then used during boot. Another important piece of knowledge is what a systemd "transaction" is, that is a very unintuitive concept which you absolutely need to know if you are debugging on your init system.
  - growse 2y ago
    > Exactly. So why is it part of your init system? Is it? Systemd is not an init system. One component of systemd is an init. There are other components.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      And that is why people hate systemd. Legitimately one of the worst software projects in existence.
      - growse 2y ago
        People hate it because one part of it is designed to run as pid 1? I don't follow. (People hate systemd? They hate a piece of software? Eesh)
        constantcrying 2y ago
        Yes, I certainly do hate systemd. Its pid has nothing to do with it. What has to do with it is people being unable to tell you why it contains a virtualization manager. In fact the response "it is not an init system" tells you pretty much everything. It is a terrible piece of software, which has completely lost all focus.
        growse 2y ago
        I hope you get to a happier, less angry place in your life where you no longer hate an inanimate piece of software.
        CRConrad 2y ago
        I hope you get to a friendlier, more enlightened place in your life where you no longer feel the need to retreat from your lack of an actual argument into supercilious snark disguised as patronising benevolence.
  - 2y ago