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Before the rise of Trump I might have agreed with you but now I think it's true for trumpers. Look at Musk, Mr. Free Speech until he doesn't like it. The quot

by deeg 2y ago

Before the rise of Trump I might have agreed with you but now I think it's true for trumpers. Look at Musk, Mr. Free Speech until he doesn't like it. The quote above describes him exactly.

tome 2y ago
On what basis do you declare Elon Musk "conservative"? (No less, the one man whose actions define conservatism!) Are you perhaps confusing conservatism with "current support of a Republican politician"? I agree with you regarding Musk's hypocrisy around free speech. Oh, and if you're looking for someone who believes the law protects him but does not bind him, you might like to read the news on the current (Democratic) mayor of Chicago.
- deeg 2y ago
  Musk is a major component of the administration that currently represents conservatives. He is/was the biggest donor to that administration. That makes him a conservative for now. I live in Massachusetts where three straight Speakers were convicted of various crimes so I'm well aware of Democratic malfeasance. Right now Trump and his enablers are so much worse.
- mindslight 2y ago
  The problem is that the word "conservative" has become so overloaded as to become useless, both as a punching bag (the above quote, which would be better stated as authoritarian or even more appropriately crypto-fascist), and as a fig-leaf for the radical reactionary agenda that has taken over the Republican party. The actual straightforward definition of wishing to slow change, supporting American institutions, the rule of law, fiscal responsibility, etc, actually applies more to the current Democratic party. Musk's hypocrisy regarding "free speech" is more around him claiming to be libertarian, but that type of hypocrisy runs deep in the Libertarian party, as the attraction of freedom for me but not for thee is too strong and the party has been pwnt by moneyed sponsors the same as the two main parties.

by deeg 2y ago

Before the rise of Trump I might have agreed with you but now I think it's true for trumpers. Look at Musk, Mr. Free Speech until he doesn't like it. The quote above describes him exactly.

tome 2y ago

On what basis do you declare Elon Musk "conservative"? (No less, the one man whose actions define conservatism!) Are you perhaps confusing conservatism with "current support of a Republican politician"? I agree with you regarding Musk's hypocrisy around free speech. Oh, and if you're looking for someone who believes the law protects him but does not bind him, you might like to read the news on the current (Democratic) mayor of Chicago.

deeg 2y ago
Musk is a major component of the administration that currently represents conservatives. He is/was the biggest donor to that administration. That makes him a conservative for now. I live in Massachusetts where three straight Speakers were convicted of various crimes so I'm well aware of Democratic malfeasance. Right now Trump and his enablers are so much worse.
mindslight 2y ago
The problem is that the word "conservative" has become so overloaded as to become useless, both as a punching bag (the above quote, which would be better stated as authoritarian or even more appropriately crypto-fascist), and as a fig-leaf for the radical reactionary agenda that has taken over the Republican party. The actual straightforward definition of wishing to slow change, supporting American institutions, the rule of law, fiscal responsibility, etc, actually applies more to the current Democratic party. Musk's hypocrisy regarding "free speech" is more around him claiming to be libertarian, but that type of hypocrisy runs deep in the Libertarian party, as the attraction of freedom for me but not for thee is too strong and the party has been pwnt by moneyed sponsors the same as the two main parties.