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"2 overnight shootings end NYC's 5-day no shooting streak, 5 minutes after it was announced" is the current title of this article...

by choult 2y ago

ecocentrik 2y ago
The story is 5 days without a single shooting and a 25.6% reduction in shootings for the month compared to last year. The streak breaking was inevitable and less important. In relative population terms it's like saying there wasn't a single shooting in Louisiana and Mississippi for 5 days. Those two states have a combined population slightly smaller than NYC but have the highest rates of gun violence in the country.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  >Those two states have a combined population slightly smaller than NYC but have the highest rates of gun violence in the country. They are also poorer than NYC and much more spread out, so enforcing the law is somewhat harder. Also, if you plotted out "shootings per gun" and "self-defense incidents involving a gun" I'm sure you would find it's not as bad as you think. Guns in the hands of normal people prevent crime.
  - ecocentrik 2y ago
    I'm sure socio-economics plays a role but cities like New York have residents at all levels of the socio-economic strata, thought admittedly north eastern cities like Boston and New York have been strongly trending upward. Population density is often cited as a reason for higher rates of gun violence. I'm not sure about you "spread out" theory of law enforcement. Those are not the most "spread out" states in the country, nor are they the states with the highest levels of self-defense associated gun violence. If you read the story, the incident that broke the 5 day streak in NY was an individual attempting to stop a hit and run driver that had crashed into a neighbors parked car.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      >Population density is often cited as a reason for higher rates of gun violence. That's not exactly what I was trying to say. All crime is more prevalent in NYC, and it is one of the hardest places to legally purchase a gun. So criminals who disregard the law can have guns and normal people can't, effectively. The laws are such that if you use a gun in self-defense, you are very likely to be charged with murder. The few gun crimes that do happen in NYC are committed by criminals who would have likely been violent anyway. Big cities have more crime per capita for whatever reasons, perhaps because of their laws. There are generally more police per capita as population increases. See this for example: https://www.governing.com/archive/police-officers-per-capita-rates-employment-for-city-departments.html https://www.governing.com/archive/police-officers-per-capita... Depriving people of guns is not a reasonable answer to gun crime, any more than depriving people of knives because of knife crime or cars because of car crime. Gun crime is unfortunate, but so is getting jumped by 5 dudes, robbed in your home or business, or gang-raped because you have no way to defend yourself. No amount of police will save you from that. The police also won't save you from government tyranny.

"2 overnight shootings end NYC's 5-day no shooting streak, 5 minutes after it was announced" is the current title of this article...

by choult 2y ago

"2 overnight shootings end NYC's 5-day no shooting streak, 5 minutes after it was announced" is the current title of this article...

ecocentrik 2y ago

The story is 5 days without a single shooting and a 25.6% reduction in shootings for the month compared to last year. The streak breaking was inevitable and less important. In relative population terms it's like saying there wasn't a single shooting in Louisiana and Mississippi for 5 days. Those two states have a combined population slightly smaller than NYC but have the highest rates of gun violence in the country.

wakawaka28 2y ago
>Those two states have a combined population slightly smaller than NYC but have the highest rates of gun violence in the country. They are also poorer than NYC and much more spread out, so enforcing the law is somewhat harder. Also, if you plotted out "shootings per gun" and "self-defense incidents involving a gun" I'm sure you would find it's not as bad as you think. Guns in the hands of normal people prevent crime.
- ecocentrik 2y ago
  I'm sure socio-economics plays a role but cities like New York have residents at all levels of the socio-economic strata, thought admittedly north eastern cities like Boston and New York have been strongly trending upward. Population density is often cited as a reason for higher rates of gun violence. I'm not sure about you "spread out" theory of law enforcement. Those are not the most "spread out" states in the country, nor are they the states with the highest levels of self-defense associated gun violence. If you read the story, the incident that broke the 5 day streak in NY was an individual attempting to stop a hit and run driver that had crashed into a neighbors parked car.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    >Population density is often cited as a reason for higher rates of gun violence. That's not exactly what I was trying to say. All crime is more prevalent in NYC, and it is one of the hardest places to legally purchase a gun. So criminals who disregard the law can have guns and normal people can't, effectively. The laws are such that if you use a gun in self-defense, you are very likely to be charged with murder. The few gun crimes that do happen in NYC are committed by criminals who would have likely been violent anyway. Big cities have more crime per capita for whatever reasons, perhaps because of their laws. There are generally more police per capita as population increases. See this for example: https://www.governing.com/archive/police-officers-per-capita-rates-employment-for-city-departments.html https://www.governing.com/archive/police-officers-per-capita... Depriving people of guns is not a reasonable answer to gun crime, any more than depriving people of knives because of knife crime or cars because of car crime. Gun crime is unfortunate, but so is getting jumped by 5 dudes, robbed in your home or business, or gang-raped because you have no way to defend yourself. No amount of police will save you from that. The police also won't save you from government tyranny.