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This does not hurt the reputation of the US.

by flanked-evergl 2y ago

greentxt 2y ago
The media coverage of it does.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  In whose eyes? Iran's? Russia's? China's?
  - intended 2y ago
    Germany, France, Canada, Japan, Taiwan, India. China looks at America and shows its citizens what an alternative fate could be, and it works.
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      Europe is circling the drain, Taiwan is inconsequential and becoming less so by the day, and China does not respects it's citizens, they treat them like cattle. But okay sure, India's opinion is super important, especially as they are profiting off the Ukraine war.
      - exe34 2y ago
        > China does not respects it's citizens, they treat them like cattle. the US is trying to catch up in that race now. see how they treat their women wrt reproductive health.
    - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
      Aren't Japan and Taiwan are ethnically homogenous? > China looks at America and shows its citizens what an alternative fate could be, and it works. Not really though. Still, around ~10k PhDs from China get green cards. I am not sure if it can be quantified.
      - intended 2y ago
        There was a time when the very sentence I wrote would be laughable. That time has long since passed. The change can be noticed.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    Iran, Russia, and China must be very optimistic by seeing the US shooting themselves in the foot.
  - squigz 2y ago
    I think it's pretty telling that you listed 3 countries you are absolutely not friendly with, and so whose opinion of America's reputation is not really relevant. What about your allies?
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HelloNurse 2y ago
Suppose you are a scientist. Would you be interested in USA grants and universities as career options? Certainly much less than last year.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  I know it's a rhetorical question, but, at this point, I don't even want to visit the US.
- terrabiped 2y ago
  I fail to see why a scientist won’t be interested in the grant now. Maybe if you’re talking about some areas like social sciences, yes, but for everything else not much seems to have changed.
  - jltsiren 2y ago
    It's all about stability and predictability. Science, like other forms of business, favors an environment without sudden regulatory changes. Sudden changes make the government an unreliable partner incapable of committing to anything beyond the next elections. If the dominant ideology changes, it should only affect future grants, not current grants. Ideally, grants that have already been submitted or are close to submission should be evaluated according to the old rules. Otherwise a lot of time and effort will go to waste.
  - sno129 2y ago
    I have not been paid because my salary is funded by an NSF grant and they've shut down the payment system and cancelled payments. (It is still down.) I'm not in the social sciences, I'm in mathematics. The instability this has created has me looking to leave academia as quickly as possible; I'm sure others in similar situations are having the same thoughts. This has wreaked havoc on all of academia.
    - terrabiped 2y ago
      Thank you for providing extra context! I can see why the unpredictability of the entire system could make people not even consider applying in the future. Sorry to hear that this happened to you. I hope they will provide some way to sort this out soon.

This does not hurt the reputation of the US.

greentxt 2y ago

The media coverage of it does.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
In whose eyes? Iran's? Russia's? China's?
- intended 2y ago
  Germany, France, Canada, Japan, Taiwan, India. China looks at America and shows its citizens what an alternative fate could be, and it works.
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    Europe is circling the drain, Taiwan is inconsequential and becoming less so by the day, and China does not respects it's citizens, they treat them like cattle. But okay sure, India's opinion is super important, especially as they are profiting off the Ukraine war.
    - exe34 2y ago
      > China does not respects it's citizens, they treat them like cattle. the US is trying to catch up in that race now. see how they treat their women wrt reproductive health.
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    Aren't Japan and Taiwan are ethnically homogenous? > China looks at America and shows its citizens what an alternative fate could be, and it works. Not really though. Still, around ~10k PhDs from China get green cards. I am not sure if it can be quantified.
    - intended 2y ago
      There was a time when the very sentence I wrote would be laughable. That time has long since passed. The change can be noticed.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  Iran, Russia, and China must be very optimistic by seeing the US shooting themselves in the foot.
- squigz 2y ago
  I think it's pretty telling that you listed 3 countries you are absolutely not friendly with, and so whose opinion of America's reputation is not really relevant. What about your allies?

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HelloNurse 2y ago

Suppose you are a scientist. Would you be interested in USA grants and universities as career options? Certainly much less than last year.

rbanffy 2y ago
I know it's a rhetorical question, but, at this point, I don't even want to visit the US.
terrabiped 2y ago
I fail to see why a scientist won’t be interested in the grant now. Maybe if you’re talking about some areas like social sciences, yes, but for everything else not much seems to have changed.
- jltsiren 2y ago
  It's all about stability and predictability. Science, like other forms of business, favors an environment without sudden regulatory changes. Sudden changes make the government an unreliable partner incapable of committing to anything beyond the next elections. If the dominant ideology changes, it should only affect future grants, not current grants. Ideally, grants that have already been submitted or are close to submission should be evaluated according to the old rules. Otherwise a lot of time and effort will go to waste.
- sno129 2y ago
  I have not been paid because my salary is funded by an NSF grant and they've shut down the payment system and cancelled payments. (It is still down.) I'm not in the social sciences, I'm in mathematics. The instability this has created has me looking to leave academia as quickly as possible; I'm sure others in similar situations are having the same thoughts. This has wreaked havoc on all of academia.
  - terrabiped 2y ago
    Thank you for providing extra context! I can see why the unpredictability of the entire system could make people not even consider applying in the future. Sorry to hear that this happened to you. I hope they will provide some way to sort this out soon.