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It's worth pointing out that Lennart Poettering simply rubbed some people the wrong way in his communication, and that ended up reflecting on systemd, irrespect

It's worth pointing out that Lennart Poettering simply rubbed some people the wrong way in his communication, and that ended up reflecting on systemd, irrespective of the software itself. (I am not making a case that this is good or bad, right or wrong. Just pointing it out.)

datadeft 2y ago
And there is the track record: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/systemd https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/s...
- happymellon 2y ago
  That looks not too bad considering what it does and the time range of CVEs
- mariusor 2y ago
  Maybe you can do a comparison to another well known open source project and see how well systemd fares: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/l...
  - shakna 2y ago
    Or OpenRC, which is closer to a competitor, than an entire OS. [0] [0] https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openrc https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/o...
    - mariusor 2y ago
      Of course, the scope is different, the kernel is about 30 times as large as systemd (which is less than I was expecting frankly), but they both match the description "low-level large C language project". Therefore in my mind they should have a similarl density of CVEs per lines of code: Systemd has 4 open CvEs in ~1M lines of code. The linux kernel hash 18 open CvEs in ~30M lines of code.
egorfine 2y ago
some? Let's rephrase the question the other way: is there anyone who thinks that LP's attitude is fine?
t43562 2y ago
It was absolutely the way it was done and the arguments use to shut up the opposition. Then the distros all just adopted it and it was case closed and &*@#$#@ you. This happened with GNOME turning into some attempt at a tablet/phone UI and that upset enough of us to result in Cinnamon and MATE. You have the people who like GNOME as it is now just as people accept systemd but you might as well be talking to Mac fans - to people who have to learn to like it because they have no choice. Technically I think launchd might be the inspiration for systemd and for people who like the way the Mac works it's "yay" but it's not necessary. Anyhow, I like dinit. It's declarative with a simple config language and not a monolith - absolutely perfect.

datadeft 2y ago

And there is the track record: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/systemd https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/s...

happymellon 2y ago
That looks not too bad considering what it does and the time range of CVEs
mariusor 2y ago
Maybe you can do a comparison to another well known open source project and see how well systemd fares: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/l...
- shakna 2y ago
  Or OpenRC, which is closer to a competitor, than an entire OS. [0] [0] https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openrc https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/o...
  - mariusor 2y ago
    Of course, the scope is different, the kernel is about 30 times as large as systemd (which is less than I was expecting frankly), but they both match the description "low-level large C language project". Therefore in my mind they should have a similarl density of CVEs per lines of code: Systemd has 4 open CvEs in ~1M lines of code. The linux kernel hash 18 open CvEs in ~30M lines of code.

egorfine 2y ago

some? Let's rephrase the question the other way: is there anyone who thinks that LP's attitude is fine?

t43562 2y ago

It was absolutely the way it was done and the arguments use to shut up the opposition. Then the distros all just adopted it and it was case closed and &*@#$#@ you. This happened with GNOME turning into some attempt at a tablet/phone UI and that upset enough of us to result in Cinnamon and MATE. You have the people who like GNOME as it is now just as people accept systemd but you might as well be talking to Mac fans - to people who have to learn to like it because they have no choice. Technically I think launchd might be the inspiration for systemd and for people who like the way the Mac works it's "yay" but it's not necessary. Anyhow, I like dinit. It's declarative with a simple config language and not a monolith - absolutely perfect.