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You're repeating Apple's PR talking point, but we know it's not true. Why? Because we have a counterfactual observation: in France there's a law against "plann

You're repeating Apple's PR talking point, but we know it's not true. Why? Because we have a counterfactual observation: in France there's a law against "planned obsolescence" and to comply Apple never pushed their update here. And not only French IPhone kept working, but everybody could disable the speed nerf by switching their location to France on their phone. And it turns out that the phones handled it without issue.

scarface_74 2y ago
So are you saying that batteries don’t degrade over time causing random cut offs? And if that were the case, how do you explain this as far as France? https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batterygate-slowdown-batteries-french-fine?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batt...
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  Battery do degrade over time, but the phone speed nerf was spread to many phones were battery degradation was far too little to cause the kind of disruption you're talking about. A theoretical concern that was marginal at best in the actual fleet of phone was used as an excuse for shady behavior (And that shady behavior got them a fine in France before they reverted the patch here). Also, I don't understand why you're linking to an article that contradicts you. It reminded me something I had forgotten though: that eventually Apple (partially). caved and made this behavior opt-out for everyone.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    It was never “reversed” anywhere according to your citation. They added a setting to let you turn it off. It wasn’t a theoretical concern. Phones were shutting down. Again this is physics.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      Too bad their lawyer wasn't able to explain physics to the French law enforcement and it costed them $25 million. Apple fanboys are really the best when it comes to defend the indefensible.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did. No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate. And that feature is still part of iOS…
        littlestymaar 2y ago
        > Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did. It did, shortly, then Apple got fined and then the feature was removed, yes, there's no contradiction whatsoever with anything I said. > No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate. First it has no link with the EU, and then you said it wasn't about tech but “physics”. And surely Apple would hire lawyers familiar enough with physics to be able to explain it… > And that feature is still part of iOS… But now at least it's opt-out because Apple was forced to do something against the backlash. Nobody would have called that shady if they communicated clearly about the throttling and made it opt-out from the get go (or even better: wait before such a issue gets triggered once before throttling the phone, and explicitly tell the user when it happens…). And surely that's what company that cares about user experience as much as Apple would do … if they weren't trying to screw their customers.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        > First it has no link with the EU, and then you said it wasn't about tech but “physics”. And surely Apple would hire lawyers familiar enough with physics to be able to explain it… So now are you back to saying that rechargeable battery degradation is not a thing? It is literally physics https://gizmodo.com/scientists-solved-the-mystery-of-why-rechargeable-batte-1583247838#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAs%2520the%2520lithium%2520ions%2520race,limiting%2520performance%252C%E2%80%9D%2520Xin%2520said. https://gizmodo.com/scientists-solved-the-mystery-of-why-rec...

scarface_74 2y ago

So are you saying that batteries don’t degrade over time causing random cut offs? And if that were the case, how do you explain this as far as France? https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batterygate-slowdown-batteries-french-fine?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batt...

littlestymaar 2y ago
Battery do degrade over time, but the phone speed nerf was spread to many phones were battery degradation was far too little to cause the kind of disruption you're talking about. A theoretical concern that was marginal at best in the actual fleet of phone was used as an excuse for shady behavior (And that shady behavior got them a fine in France before they reverted the patch here). Also, I don't understand why you're linking to an article that contradicts you. It reminded me something I had forgotten though: that eventually Apple (partially). caved and made this behavior opt-out for everyone.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  It was never “reversed” anywhere according to your citation. They added a setting to let you turn it off. It wasn’t a theoretical concern. Phones were shutting down. Again this is physics.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    Too bad their lawyer wasn't able to explain physics to the French law enforcement and it costed them $25 million. Apple fanboys are really the best when it comes to defend the indefensible.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did. No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate. And that feature is still part of iOS…
      - littlestymaar 2y ago
        > Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did. It did, shortly, then Apple got fined and then the feature was removed, yes, there's no contradiction whatsoever with anything I said. > No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate. First it has no link with the EU, and then you said it wasn't about tech but “physics”. And surely Apple would hire lawyers familiar enough with physics to be able to explain it… > And that feature is still part of iOS… But now at least it's opt-out because Apple was forced to do something against the backlash. Nobody would have called that shady if they communicated clearly about the throttling and made it opt-out from the get go (or even better: wait before such a issue gets triggered once before throttling the phone, and explicitly tell the user when it happens…). And surely that's what company that cares about user experience as much as Apple would do … if they weren't trying to screw their customers.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        > First it has no link with the EU, and then you said it wasn't about tech but “physics”. And surely Apple would hire lawyers familiar enough with physics to be able to explain it… So now are you back to saying that rechargeable battery degradation is not a thing? It is literally physics https://gizmodo.com/scientists-solved-the-mystery-of-why-rechargeable-batte-1583247838#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAs%2520the%2520lithium%2520ions%2520race,limiting%2520performance%252C%E2%80%9D%2520Xin%2520said. https://gizmodo.com/scientists-solved-the-mystery-of-why-rec...