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scarface_74 2y ago
No, it’s not “the same thing”. Apple throttled the phones because the alternative was the phone shutting off. It wasn’t a software bug. It’s physics that when a battery got old and you tried to run the phone at full speed, the battery couldn’t handle it.
- zrobotics 2y ago
  How is that different? Apple 'throttled' the phones by reducing charge amperage and reducing battery capacity in software. TBH I think what Google did here is also bad, this should definitely trigger a system popup with an opt in/out. However, Apple did exactly the same thing, initially denied it, and people are still defending them years later. (edit):typo
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    The alternative was that the phone would shut off completely. Apple did not make the phone worse. So the pop up should be “Wouid you like your phone to shut off randomly?”
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  You're repeating Apple's PR talking point, but we know it's not true. Why? Because we have a counterfactual observation: in France there's a law against "planned obsolescence" and to comply Apple never pushed their update here. And not only French IPhone kept working, but everybody could disable the speed nerf by switching their location to France on their phone. And it turns out that the phones handled it without issue.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    So are you saying that batteries don’t degrade over time causing random cut offs? And if that were the case, how do you explain this as far as France? https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batterygate-slowdown-batteries-french-fine?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batt...
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      Battery do degrade over time, but the phone speed nerf was spread to many phones were battery degradation was far too little to cause the kind of disruption you're talking about. A theoretical concern that was marginal at best in the actual fleet of phone was used as an excuse for shady behavior (And that shady behavior got them a fine in France before they reverted the patch here). Also, I don't understand why you're linking to an article that contradicts you. It reminded me something I had forgotten though: that eventually Apple (partially). caved and made this behavior opt-out for everyone.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        It was never “reversed” anywhere according to your citation. They added a setting to let you turn it off. It wasn’t a theoretical concern. Phones were shutting down. Again this is physics.
        littlestymaar 2y ago
        Too bad their lawyer wasn't able to explain physics to the French law enforcement and it costed them $25 million. Apple fanboys are really the best when it comes to defend the indefensible.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did. No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate. And that feature is still part of iOS…
anotherboffin 2y ago
They didn’t offer free repairs, but they also didn’t limit it to five countries.

scarface_74 2y ago

No, it’s not “the same thing”. Apple throttled the phones because the alternative was the phone shutting off. It wasn’t a software bug. It’s physics that when a battery got old and you tried to run the phone at full speed, the battery couldn’t handle it.

zrobotics 2y ago
How is that different? Apple 'throttled' the phones by reducing charge amperage and reducing battery capacity in software. TBH I think what Google did here is also bad, this should definitely trigger a system popup with an opt in/out. However, Apple did exactly the same thing, initially denied it, and people are still defending them years later. (edit):typo
- scarface_74 2y ago
  The alternative was that the phone would shut off completely. Apple did not make the phone worse. So the pop up should be “Wouid you like your phone to shut off randomly?”
littlestymaar 2y ago
You're repeating Apple's PR talking point, but we know it's not true. Why? Because we have a counterfactual observation: in France there's a law against "planned obsolescence" and to comply Apple never pushed their update here. And not only French IPhone kept working, but everybody could disable the speed nerf by switching their location to France on their phone. And it turns out that the phones handled it without issue.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  So are you saying that batteries don’t degrade over time causing random cut offs? And if that were the case, how do you explain this as far as France? https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batterygate-slowdown-batteries-french-fine?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batt...
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    Battery do degrade over time, but the phone speed nerf was spread to many phones were battery degradation was far too little to cause the kind of disruption you're talking about. A theoretical concern that was marginal at best in the actual fleet of phone was used as an excuse for shady behavior (And that shady behavior got them a fine in France before they reverted the patch here). Also, I don't understand why you're linking to an article that contradicts you. It reminded me something I had forgotten though: that eventually Apple (partially). caved and made this behavior opt-out for everyone.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      It was never “reversed” anywhere according to your citation. They added a setting to let you turn it off. It wasn’t a theoretical concern. Phones were shutting down. Again this is physics.
      - littlestymaar 2y ago
        Too bad their lawyer wasn't able to explain physics to the French law enforcement and it costed them $25 million. Apple fanboys are really the best when it comes to defend the indefensible.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did. No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate. And that feature is still part of iOS…

anotherboffin 2y ago

They didn’t offer free repairs, but they also didn’t limit it to five countries.