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> the original post was about per capita emissions The? You mean your post. You introduced it. No wonder you're not making sense, given you can't follow your o

> the original post was about per capita emissions The? You mean your post. You introduced it. No wonder you're not making sense, given you can't follow your own comments. Now you're saying slavery is legal "effectively" in the US? Stop embarrassing yourself.

DrScientist 2y ago
1.8 million or so in US prisons. The total world prison population is estimated at around 11.5 million. China is second - with about 1.7 million - however that's at a rate of about 1/5 of the US. It's legal to force those 1.8 million to work in the US and some states don't even compensate - and in addition your something like 6 times more likely to suffer it if you black. So you have a legally endorsed method of forcing people to work in the US, often without any pay - just saying if it quacks and walks like a duck.....
- caminante 2y ago
  LOL! You can't even switch topics without being wrong. Your figure comes from this report [0], which disputes your China figure. > Figures for [...] China are incomplete[...] The China figures are for sentenced prisoners only. Figures for pre-trial detention and other forms of detention are not available; more than 650,000 were so held in 2009 (Supreme People’s Procuratorate). In addition, it is widely reported that more than a million Uighur Muslims are detained in camps in Xinjiang province. Thanks for the laugh. [0] https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/resources/downloads/world_prison_population_list_14th_edition.pdf https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/resources/...
  - DrScientist 2y ago
    If you add those numbers - which are guess work - then the US is still ahead per capita - rather 5x more than China - simply ~2.5x. So you are trying to deflect again - and I notice you haven't address the key point - the existence of legalized enforced labour in the US. If you dislike what China is doing then you should also be worried about what's happening in the US.
    - caminante 2y ago
      > If you add those numbers - which are guess work Guess work? This is coming from your own source, which undermines your point! How are you adding a. not available pre-trial detention and other forms of detention b. and "more than" a million Uighur Muslims? If you can't even provide credible information, then how does one even "deflect" it?
      - DrScientist 2y ago
        Still avoiding the key point that the US has 2.5x more people per capita incarcerated than even China with all it's political prisoners - and the US legally can force these people to work against their will. Still not pausing to think?
        caminante 2y ago
        > Still avoiding the key point... ...which your own source undermines. I can't defend your own arguments for you without quality figures.
        DrScientist 2y ago
        You threw shades at China for incarnating too many of it's own people, and being a key greenhouse gas emitter - both are true - I'm just pointing out that for both of those areas - the US beats China around 2:1 on a per capita basis if you look at the numbers. The US incarceration numbers in particular are extraordinary - about 1 in 7 of the worlds prison population is in the US. I'd be interested in your opinion of why that is.

DrScientist 2y ago

1.8 million or so in US prisons. The total world prison population is estimated at around 11.5 million. China is second - with about 1.7 million - however that's at a rate of about 1/5 of the US. It's legal to force those 1.8 million to work in the US and some states don't even compensate - and in addition your something like 6 times more likely to suffer it if you black. So you have a legally endorsed method of forcing people to work in the US, often without any pay - just saying if it quacks and walks like a duck.....

caminante 2y ago
LOL! You can't even switch topics without being wrong. Your figure comes from this report [0], which disputes your China figure. > Figures for [...] China are incomplete[...] The China figures are for sentenced prisoners only. Figures for pre-trial detention and other forms of detention are not available; more than 650,000 were so held in 2009 (Supreme People’s Procuratorate). In addition, it is widely reported that more than a million Uighur Muslims are detained in camps in Xinjiang province. Thanks for the laugh. [0] https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/resources/downloads/world_prison_population_list_14th_edition.pdf https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/resources/...
- DrScientist 2y ago
  If you add those numbers - which are guess work - then the US is still ahead per capita - rather 5x more than China - simply ~2.5x. So you are trying to deflect again - and I notice you haven't address the key point - the existence of legalized enforced labour in the US. If you dislike what China is doing then you should also be worried about what's happening in the US.
  - caminante 2y ago
    > If you add those numbers - which are guess work Guess work? This is coming from your own source, which undermines your point! How are you adding a. not available pre-trial detention and other forms of detention b. and "more than" a million Uighur Muslims? If you can't even provide credible information, then how does one even "deflect" it?
    - DrScientist 2y ago
      Still avoiding the key point that the US has 2.5x more people per capita incarcerated than even China with all it's political prisoners - and the US legally can force these people to work against their will. Still not pausing to think?
      - caminante 2y ago
        > Still avoiding the key point... ...which your own source undermines. I can't defend your own arguments for you without quality figures.
        DrScientist 2y ago
        You threw shades at China for incarnating too many of it's own people, and being a key greenhouse gas emitter - both are true - I'm just pointing out that for both of those areas - the US beats China around 2:1 on a per capita basis if you look at the numbers. The US incarceration numbers in particular are extraordinary - about 1 in 7 of the worlds prison population is in the US. I'd be interested in your opinion of why that is.