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Let's remember, it's not just about privacy, it's privacy against government overreach. Those in power, whether government officials or public servants, often a

Let's remember, it's not just about privacy, it's privacy against government overreach. Those in power, whether government officials or public servants, often abuse it. The public might want to defend their privacy vs. corporations, and/because the media will spin privacy to target companies, while government and public servants escape accountability for their actions.

cratermoon 2y ago
Since when have corporations been accountable for their actions?
- burningChrome 2y ago
  I remember a pretty big class action lawsuit against Phillip Morris and "Big Tobacco"? The BP Oil Spill class action? The Anderson Family class action against GM? The VW emissions scandal? Enron Securities fraud case? WorldCom accounting fraud case? Fen-Phen diet drug settlement? Bank of America Countrywide Mortgage fraud case?
  - cratermoon 2y ago
    And what were the typical penalties imposed for these incidents?
    - weddpros 2y ago
      Asked Perplexity to summarize and answer to you: Tobacco litigation ($23.6B) BP oil spill ($20.8B) VW emissions scandal ($38B) Enron/WorldCom financial fraud ($9.55B combined) Pharmaceutical/auto/mortgage cases ($16.15B combined)
      - cratermoon 2y ago
        Get back to me when you can provide real sources, not some hallucinatin' jumped-up stochastic parrot.
        weddpros 2y ago
        Go to perplexity, learn a thing and use the sources it provides with its results. Then see for yourself who's the parrot with no sources.
        cratermoon 2y ago
        I would like to note that even if completely accurate, there's a curious lack of tech companies in that list.
- weddpros 2y ago
  Remember the multiple times tech companies have been fined for failing to "protect privacy"? Do you remember of any agency having any kind of trouble after leaking private data? It's always the hackers that are to blame when there's a data leak in a government agency. But when there's a hack at a company? the blame seems to go 100% on the company.
  - franga2000 2y ago
    Are you reading the same news the rest of us are? Companies are basically never found liable for a "hack" into their systems. And when the companies share user data intentionally, at worst they get a fine so low as to be meaningless. And in the US, usually not even that, because selling user data is mostly legal. What usually happens in cases of government agencies getting hacked (in my non-US experience) is that an inspector investigates what went wrong, proposes improvements to security systems and processes, then monitors the agency to make sure they carry them out.
  - cratermoon 2y ago
    > Remember the multiple times tech companies have been fined for failing to "protect privacy"? I can recall one or two exceptional cases,and the fines were relatively small, amounting to a slap on the wrist. For example for the 2017 Equifax breach, after 2 years, the total cost of the settlement included $300 million to a fund for victim compensation, $175 million to the states and territories in the agreement, and $100 million to the CFPB in fines. In the UK, the Financial Conduct Authority imposed a financial penalty of £11,164,400[1] Equifax's revenue in 2017 was $3.362B. In 2019, after Equifax agreed to the above settlement, revenue was up to $3.508B. Equifax revenue for the twelve months ending September 30, 2024 was $5.588B, a 8.79% increase year-over-year.[2] 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Equifax_data_breach#Litigation_and_fines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Equifax_data_breach#Litig... 2. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EFX/equifax/revenue https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EFX/equifax/revenu...

cratermoon 2y ago

Since when have corporations been accountable for their actions?

burningChrome 2y ago
I remember a pretty big class action lawsuit against Phillip Morris and "Big Tobacco"? The BP Oil Spill class action? The Anderson Family class action against GM? The VW emissions scandal? Enron Securities fraud case? WorldCom accounting fraud case? Fen-Phen diet drug settlement? Bank of America Countrywide Mortgage fraud case?
- cratermoon 2y ago
  And what were the typical penalties imposed for these incidents?
  - weddpros 2y ago
    Asked Perplexity to summarize and answer to you: Tobacco litigation ($23.6B) BP oil spill ($20.8B) VW emissions scandal ($38B) Enron/WorldCom financial fraud ($9.55B combined) Pharmaceutical/auto/mortgage cases ($16.15B combined)
    - cratermoon 2y ago
      Get back to me when you can provide real sources, not some hallucinatin' jumped-up stochastic parrot.
      - weddpros 2y ago
        Go to perplexity, learn a thing and use the sources it provides with its results. Then see for yourself who's the parrot with no sources.
        cratermoon 2y ago
        I would like to note that even if completely accurate, there's a curious lack of tech companies in that list.
weddpros 2y ago
Remember the multiple times tech companies have been fined for failing to "protect privacy"? Do you remember of any agency having any kind of trouble after leaking private data? It's always the hackers that are to blame when there's a data leak in a government agency. But when there's a hack at a company? the blame seems to go 100% on the company.
- franga2000 2y ago
  Are you reading the same news the rest of us are? Companies are basically never found liable for a "hack" into their systems. And when the companies share user data intentionally, at worst they get a fine so low as to be meaningless. And in the US, usually not even that, because selling user data is mostly legal. What usually happens in cases of government agencies getting hacked (in my non-US experience) is that an inspector investigates what went wrong, proposes improvements to security systems and processes, then monitors the agency to make sure they carry them out.
- cratermoon 2y ago
  > Remember the multiple times tech companies have been fined for failing to "protect privacy"? I can recall one or two exceptional cases,and the fines were relatively small, amounting to a slap on the wrist. For example for the 2017 Equifax breach, after 2 years, the total cost of the settlement included $300 million to a fund for victim compensation, $175 million to the states and territories in the agreement, and $100 million to the CFPB in fines. In the UK, the Financial Conduct Authority imposed a financial penalty of £11,164,400[1] Equifax's revenue in 2017 was $3.362B. In 2019, after Equifax agreed to the above settlement, revenue was up to $3.508B. Equifax revenue for the twelve months ending September 30, 2024 was $5.588B, a 8.79% increase year-over-year.[2] 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Equifax_data_breach#Litigation_and_fines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Equifax_data_breach#Litig... 2. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EFX/equifax/revenue https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EFX/equifax/revenu...