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Puckle guns existed about 60 years before the revolution and you could absolutely own them privately and they were developed by a private citizen, although they

by pc86 2y ago

Puckle guns existed about 60 years before the revolution and you could absolutely own them privately and they were developed by a private citizen, although they're closer to a Gatling gun than a machine gun. If your argument is that machine guns didn't exist in the late 1700s therefore they're not covered by the second amendment, then surely the internet isn't covered by the first amendment and you should be able to be arrested for any online comments you make, right?

ceejayoz 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun > its operation does not match the modern use of the term... It was never used during any combat operation or war... Production was highly limited and may have been as few as two guns... I'm not sure this works any better than the privateers example. > If your argument is that machine guns didn't exist in the late 1700s therefore they're not covered by the second amendment, then surely the internet isn't covered by the first amendment and you should be able to be arrested for any online comments you make, right? It has exactly the same sorts of widely-supported exceptions. I can't exercise my freedom of speech via threats, fraudulent claims, false advertising, lying to a FBI agent, etc. I can, and should be, arrested for such things. (I also like to think modern social media and its societal impact would give the Founders some pause.)
- pc86 2y ago
  Just like I can't claim 2A freedom to use a gun and murder someone. You're saying since MGs didn't exist, they shouldn't be covered - or at least presenting that as a valid argument? Please correct me if I'm wrong. If that argument holds truth, than the entire internet should be exempt from 1A protections, shouldn't it?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > If that argument holds truth, than the entire internet should be exempt from 1A protections, shouldn't it? Frankly, I think if the Founders had anticipated its rise, they'd have put a few more qualifications on the First. I think we're in the fuck-around-find-out phase of the technology outpacing the societal capacity to cope with it.
    - pc86 2y ago
      > I think we're in the fuck-around-find-out phase of the technology outpacing the societal capacity to cope with it. We absolutely agree on this!

by pc86 2y ago

ceejayoz 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun > its operation does not match the modern use of the term... It was never used during any combat operation or war... Production was highly limited and may have been as few as two guns... I'm not sure this works any better than the privateers example. > If your argument is that machine guns didn't exist in the late 1700s therefore they're not covered by the second amendment, then surely the internet isn't covered by the first amendment and you should be able to be arrested for any online comments you make, right? It has exactly the same sorts of widely-supported exceptions. I can't exercise my freedom of speech via threats, fraudulent claims, false advertising, lying to a FBI agent, etc. I can, and should be, arrested for such things. (I also like to think modern social media and its societal impact would give the Founders some pause.)

pc86 2y ago
Just like I can't claim 2A freedom to use a gun and murder someone. You're saying since MGs didn't exist, they shouldn't be covered - or at least presenting that as a valid argument? Please correct me if I'm wrong. If that argument holds truth, than the entire internet should be exempt from 1A protections, shouldn't it?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > If that argument holds truth, than the entire internet should be exempt from 1A protections, shouldn't it? Frankly, I think if the Founders had anticipated its rise, they'd have put a few more qualifications on the First. I think we're in the fuck-around-find-out phase of the technology outpacing the societal capacity to cope with it.
  - pc86 2y ago
    > I think we're in the fuck-around-find-out phase of the technology outpacing the societal capacity to cope with it. We absolutely agree on this!