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We got open source 3d printers you can build at home before open source regular printers that you can build at home How come?

We got open source 3d printers you can build at home __before__ open source regular printers that you can build at home How come?

ndileas 2y ago
2-d printing is a hard, boring problem and many people increasingly print very little, especially hackers.
bragr 2y ago
While most of the printer is pretty simple mechanically and electronically, inkjet heads and laser drums are going to be beyond the ability of most home hobbyists. Even dot matrix heads would be pretty complicated to fabricate with lots of tiny precise parts.
- craftkiller 2y ago
  I don't think this is the reason because someone could harvest the heads from an existing printer and make everything else open source.
pavel_lishin 2y ago
It genuinely seems that a 3D printer is easier to build; the precision and resolution required is significantly less than for photo-quality (or even document-quality) printing, right?
- MostlyStable 2y ago
  Previous discussions on hackernews (see this comment [0]) claim that the paper handling hardware is part of the problem. It's apparently quite difficult to do reliably (thus all the 90s jokes about paper jams) and all the known solutions are locked up under patent [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    I wonder if part of that problem could be solved by going back in time, and printing on something like the accordion-folded paper favored by dot-matrix printers, or even a full roll of 8.5 inch wide paper that then gets sliced into 11 inch long chunks after the ink is applied? Then we just have to solve all the other problems :)
    - VOIPThrowaway 2y ago
      Truly high-speed printers do that. Think of the printer that prints out all the Chase credit card statements for millions of customers. It uses a "roll to cut sheet system" Example: https://offtechne.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Roll_to_Cut_Stack.pdf https://offtechne.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Roll_to_Cut...
  - Ekaros 2y ago
    I kinda don't buy patents at this point. There were very decent printers in 90s and those have any patent expired already.
kube-system 2y ago
Because people aren’t okay with manual feeding, print times in minutes to hours, and 0.4mm resolutions on printed text. open source plotters that fulfill these requirements do exist. Commercial solutions are just far more mature and accessible for printed text.
pjc50 2y ago
The commercial printers are fine for all normal uses and absurdly cheap. Ink, less so. Whereas 3D printers are a niche tech for tinkerers; playing with building the printer is as much a part of the fun as actual usable output.
lmm 2y ago
Because no-one, especially the kind of person who's into open-source, uses printers often enough for the problems to bother them, and because the existing commercial products are highly optimised and effective.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  Even if nobody is building a printer from scratch, I'm surprised there isn't some kind of open source firmware project (like there is for, say, digital cameras) just in order to avoid all the driver nightmares people complain about.
  - lmm 2y ago
    Digital cameras have a stable(ish) lens interface, so people use a smaller number of models for longer. Consumer inkjet printers are so cheap and change so often that there is no single model that's popular enough for people to coalesce around (and people who do care about e.g. a printer that works well on Linux will research and buy one that's known to work well on Linux - printers are pretty much a commodity, whereas people have strong feelings about their camera hardware and want to use a particular camera with different firmware instead of changing cameras)

We got open source 3d printers you can build at home __before__ open source regular printers that you can build at home How come?

ndileas 2y ago

2-d printing is a hard, boring problem and many people increasingly print very little, especially hackers.

bragr 2y ago

While most of the printer is pretty simple mechanically and electronically, inkjet heads and laser drums are going to be beyond the ability of most home hobbyists. Even dot matrix heads would be pretty complicated to fabricate with lots of tiny precise parts.

craftkiller 2y ago
I don't think this is the reason because someone could harvest the heads from an existing printer and make everything else open source.

pavel_lishin 2y ago

It genuinely seems that a 3D printer is easier to build; the precision and resolution required is significantly less than for photo-quality (or even document-quality) printing, right?

MostlyStable 2y ago
Previous discussions on hackernews (see this comment [0]) claim that the paper handling hardware is part of the problem. It's apparently quite difficult to do reliably (thus all the 90s jokes about paper jams) and all the known solutions are locked up under patent [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  I wonder if part of that problem could be solved by going back in time, and printing on something like the accordion-folded paper favored by dot-matrix printers, or even a full roll of 8.5 inch wide paper that then gets sliced into 11 inch long chunks after the ink is applied? Then we just have to solve all the other problems :)
  - VOIPThrowaway 2y ago
    Truly high-speed printers do that. Think of the printer that prints out all the Chase credit card statements for millions of customers. It uses a "roll to cut sheet system" Example: https://offtechne.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Roll_to_Cut_Stack.pdf https://offtechne.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Roll_to_Cut...
- Ekaros 2y ago
  I kinda don't buy patents at this point. There were very decent printers in 90s and those have any patent expired already.

kube-system 2y ago

Because people aren’t okay with manual feeding, print times in minutes to hours, and 0.4mm resolutions on printed text. open source plotters that fulfill these requirements do exist. Commercial solutions are just far more mature and accessible for printed text.

pjc50 2y ago

The commercial printers are fine for all normal uses and absurdly cheap. Ink, less so. Whereas 3D printers are a niche tech for tinkerers; playing with building the printer is as much a part of the fun as actual usable output.

lmm 2y ago

Because no-one, especially the kind of person who's into open-source, uses printers often enough for the problems to bother them, and because the existing commercial products are highly optimised and effective.

kalleboo 2y ago
Even if nobody is building a printer from scratch, I'm surprised there isn't some kind of open source firmware project (like there is for, say, digital cameras) just in order to avoid all the driver nightmares people complain about.
- lmm 2y ago
  Digital cameras have a stable(ish) lens interface, so people use a smaller number of models for longer. Consumer inkjet printers are so cheap and change so often that there is no single model that's popular enough for people to coalesce around (and people who do care about e.g. a printer that works well on Linux will research and buy one that's known to work well on Linux - printers are pretty much a commodity, whereas people have strong feelings about their camera hardware and want to use a particular camera with different firmware instead of changing cameras)