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Do you get scared when you find yourself believing? Because I was never spiritual like this either until somewhat later in life. There’s a real element of “hol

Do you get scared when you find yourself believing? Because I was never spiritual like this either until somewhat later in life. There’s a real element of “holy shit I believe in God”. I never thought I would. It is very new for me to accept that we were probably always here, and probably always be, in various forms.

neom 2y ago
Well a) I don't know where it came from and b) it was quite a lot of work, I really did hours and hours and hours of reading and research very quickly. So scared isn't quite right, also because I guess I don't know what I "believe" yet as there are so many layers. I've spent a lot of the time in the last few days focusing on 15 or so events throughout history, unbound to time or geography, beating any form of truly spiritual path out of us and at every single step it seems to be deeply analytical thought relegating spiritual exploration not even to a couple of classes a week in high school but to "fun stories and myths" - I'm sure I've discussed this intellectually somehow over the years but only very recently did it become a part of me. The second document I wrote was basically focusing on compounding societal, natural and spiritual crisis all coalescing at some point in the fairly near future. The 3rd thing I produced is this kinda intense, long, very technical outline of everything I'd learned in the form of a "podcast from AI" heh: https://s.h4x.club/X6uGEpRG https://s.h4x.club/X6uGEpRG
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  I’m going through something like this too with zero religious background. Lately I’m of the belief that if you take a look at your life, you’ll see that most of it wasn’t really a coincidence. Tough thing to share but it’s my overall underlying feeling. Not me: https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesn...
  - neom 2y ago
    In the first pdf I linked the part I keep coming back to is "Our relentless quest for knowledge drives us ever outward, probing the endless void of space and the puzzling emptiness of quantum realms, finding nothing but more questions, more mysteries, more void. Digging into dead rocks in space, landing on Mars, with each step further from Earth - our garden, where we need to be - the light of that original truth grows dimmer. We risk becoming cosmic wanderers who have forgotten why we began searching in the first place, so far from home that the very memory of simple being has faded to ash." When you think about the universe, ever expanding, infinitely complex, probably devoid of observable life yet ever in observance, it really is built like an amazing game of "once we introduce 'the arrogance of why VS the awestruck wonder' bet you there is 0% chance they can collectively merge with nature at large no matter how much we warn them" - I wonder how much we are missing out on.
    - computerthings 2y ago
      The poem "Blight" by Ralph Waldo Emerson comes to mind, too: https://emersoncentral.com/texts/poems/blight/ https://emersoncentral.com/texts/poems/blight/
      - neom 2y ago
        "And night and day, ocean and continent, Fire, plant, and mineral say, Not in us, And haughtily return us stare for stare. For we invade them impiously for gain, We devastate them unreligiously, And coldly ask their pottage, not their love, Therefore they shove us from them, yield to us Only what to our griping toil is due; But the sweet affluence of love and song, The rich results of the divine consents Of man and earth, of world beloved and lover, The nectar and ambrosia are withheld;"
hn_acc1 2y ago
Quite interesting. After being raised fundamentalist / evangelical and quite strongly so, in my late 40s I had a "holy shit, I NO LONGER believe in God" moment.. That was quite a thing, and I never thought I would think that way.. It was quite some time to get there, and not one specific thing that triggered it, just a general acceptance of the randomness and meaninglessness of life..
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  Opposite. I had a militant level of anti god, and believed that it was all random. Something was given to me where I don’t accept it anymore. Do you believe in the universe? There could be a balancing act here lol. But each their own, we both understand each others side at least (which should be the case, we’ve lived as opposites and then opposites again, more or less living the same spiritual life in some sense). I don’t know, you sure you don’t believe in it? You ever wonder why there’s always one democrat for one republican? How is everything so 50/50 and balanced? :shrugs:
  - saulpw 2y ago
    It's "The Game of Black and White" per The Book by Alan Watts. It goes all the way down to raw mass--the proportion of matter and anti-matter should have been exactly 50/50. But for some reason there was just a little more of the one...
    - bloomingkales 2y ago
      Absolutely getting this book, thank you. My mind has been wandering around these ideas lately.

neom 2y ago

Well a) I don't know where it came from and b) it was quite a lot of work, I really did hours and hours and hours of reading and research very quickly. So scared isn't quite right, also because I guess I don't know what I "believe" yet as there are so many layers. I've spent a lot of the time in the last few days focusing on 15 or so events throughout history, unbound to time or geography, beating any form of truly spiritual path out of us and at every single step it seems to be deeply analytical thought relegating spiritual exploration not even to a couple of classes a week in high school but to "fun stories and myths" - I'm sure I've discussed this intellectually somehow over the years but only very recently did it become a part of me. The second document I wrote was basically focusing on compounding societal, natural and spiritual crisis all coalescing at some point in the fairly near future. The 3rd thing I produced is this kinda intense, long, very technical outline of everything I'd learned in the form of a "podcast from AI" heh: https://s.h4x.club/X6uGEpRG https://s.h4x.club/X6uGEpRG

bloomingkales 2y ago
I’m going through something like this too with zero religious background. Lately I’m of the belief that if you take a look at your life, you’ll see that most of it wasn’t really a coincidence. Tough thing to share but it’s my overall underlying feeling. Not me: https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesn...
- neom 2y ago
  In the first pdf I linked the part I keep coming back to is "Our relentless quest for knowledge drives us ever outward, probing the endless void of space and the puzzling emptiness of quantum realms, finding nothing but more questions, more mysteries, more void. Digging into dead rocks in space, landing on Mars, with each step further from Earth - our garden, where we need to be - the light of that original truth grows dimmer. We risk becoming cosmic wanderers who have forgotten why we began searching in the first place, so far from home that the very memory of simple being has faded to ash." When you think about the universe, ever expanding, infinitely complex, probably devoid of observable life yet ever in observance, it really is built like an amazing game of "once we introduce 'the arrogance of why VS the awestruck wonder' bet you there is 0% chance they can collectively merge with nature at large no matter how much we warn them" - I wonder how much we are missing out on.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    The poem "Blight" by Ralph Waldo Emerson comes to mind, too: https://emersoncentral.com/texts/poems/blight/ https://emersoncentral.com/texts/poems/blight/
    - neom 2y ago
      "And night and day, ocean and continent, Fire, plant, and mineral say, Not in us, And haughtily return us stare for stare. For we invade them impiously for gain, We devastate them unreligiously, And coldly ask their pottage, not their love, Therefore they shove us from them, yield to us Only what to our griping toil is due; But the sweet affluence of love and song, The rich results of the divine consents Of man and earth, of world beloved and lover, The nectar and ambrosia are withheld;"

hn_acc1 2y ago

Quite interesting. After being raised fundamentalist / evangelical and quite strongly so, in my late 40s I had a "holy shit, I NO LONGER believe in God" moment.. That was quite a thing, and I never thought I would think that way.. It was quite some time to get there, and not one specific thing that triggered it, just a general acceptance of the randomness and meaninglessness of life..

bloomingkales 2y ago
Opposite. I had a militant level of anti god, and believed that it was all random. Something was given to me where I don’t accept it anymore. Do you believe in the universe? There could be a balancing act here lol. But each their own, we both understand each others side at least (which should be the case, we’ve lived as opposites and then opposites again, more or less living the same spiritual life in some sense). I don’t know, you sure you don’t believe in it? You ever wonder why there’s always one democrat for one republican? How is everything so 50/50 and balanced? :shrugs:
- saulpw 2y ago
  It's "The Game of Black and White" per The Book by Alan Watts. It goes all the way down to raw mass--the proportion of matter and anti-matter should have been exactly 50/50. But for some reason there was just a little more of the one...
  - bloomingkales 2y ago
    Absolutely getting this book, thank you. My mind has been wandering around these ideas lately.