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> No one is forced to be on social media. Not yet, perhaps. But try getting a job without a linkedin account. Try getting fair prices without an email addres

> No one is forced to be on social media. Not yet, perhaps. But try getting a job without a linkedin account. Try getting fair prices without an email address. For that matter, try getting email without a large-block mail provider and without getting your email server blocked or spammed. Try filing for unemployment without a SMS-capable phone or email address or signing away your rights to a non-government entity.

scarface_74 2y ago
I’m sure you know that you can get a computer with a web browser that doesn’t run either Windows or MacOS and you can use Firefox? You can also get email from non BigTech providers. And there are plenty of non smart phones that can receive text messages.
- inetknght 2y ago
  > I’m sure you know that you can get a computer with a web browser that doesn’t run either Windows or MacOS and you can use Firefox? You wanna put some money where your mouth is? In other Hacker News... Linux troubles: - [0.a] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42839502 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42839502 "Facebook ban on discussing Linux" - (bonus comment} [0.a.b] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42848523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42848523 "Linux users are extremists according to the NSA (http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extrem...)" - [0.b] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4063236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4063236 "Microsoft Bans Linux/Android Dual-Booting on Windows 8 ARM Devices" - [0.c] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19224887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19224887 "Apple Is Blocking Linux User-Agent on appleid.apple.com" - [0.d] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36197401 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36197401 "Tell HN: Cloudflare is locking out Linux users" Firefox troubles: - [1.a] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34952279 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34952279 "Ask HN: Is your Firefox blocked by Cloudflare in recent weeks? (e.g., Gitlab)" - [1.b] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31459258 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31459258 "Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare" - [1.c] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865 "Google.com search now refusing to search for FF esr 128 without JavaScript" - [1.d] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29938521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29938521 "Reddit Blocks Firefox" - [1.e] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33269391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33269391 "Firefox Private Mode blocked by T-Mobile" I could go on, but I won't. Suffice to say that yes you are right you "can" get such a computer. But there are very strong indications that won't always be true, and even having such a computer does not guarantee that you can access the services that you require. > And there are plenty of non smart phones that can receive text messages. What you mean is that there are plenty of non-smart phones that enable receiving of massive amounts of spam indistinguishable from spearphishing, and you even pay for that privilege. No. I do not accept the concept of being required to pay for that "service".

scarface_74 2y ago

I’m sure you know that you can get a computer with a web browser that doesn’t run either Windows or MacOS and you can use Firefox? You can also get email from non BigTech providers. And there are plenty of non smart phones that can receive text messages.

inetknght 2y ago
> I’m sure you know that you can get a computer with a web browser that doesn’t run either Windows or MacOS and you can use Firefox? You wanna put some money where your mouth is? In other Hacker News... Linux troubles: - [0.a] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42839502 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42839502 "Facebook ban on discussing Linux" - (bonus comment} [0.a.b] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42848523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42848523 "Linux users are extremists according to the NSA (http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extrem...)" - [0.b] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4063236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4063236 "Microsoft Bans Linux/Android Dual-Booting on Windows 8 ARM Devices" - [0.c] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19224887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19224887 "Apple Is Blocking Linux User-Agent on appleid.apple.com" - [0.d] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36197401 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36197401 "Tell HN: Cloudflare is locking out Linux users" Firefox troubles: - [1.a] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34952279 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34952279 "Ask HN: Is your Firefox blocked by Cloudflare in recent weeks? (e.g., Gitlab)" - [1.b] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31459258 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31459258 "Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare" - [1.c] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865 "Google.com search now refusing to search for FF esr 128 without JavaScript" - [1.d] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29938521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29938521 "Reddit Blocks Firefox" - [1.e] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33269391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33269391 "Firefox Private Mode blocked by T-Mobile" I could go on, but I won't. Suffice to say that yes you are right you "can" get such a computer. But there are very strong indications that won't always be true, and even having such a computer does not guarantee that you can access the services that you require. > And there are plenty of non smart phones that can receive text messages. What you mean is that there are plenty of non-smart phones that enable receiving of massive amounts of spam indistinguishable from spearphishing, and you even pay for that privilege. No. I do not accept the concept of being required to pay for that "service".