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You mentioned America as an examplar of demcracy further up, while in truth it is an extremely flawed model of democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eco

You mentioned America as an examplar of demcracy further up, while in truth it is an extremely flawed model of democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index There are better models of democracy around. Israel have the right to defend their country of course, but Palestinians have the right to fight occupation under international law. They are massively repressed around the world - try support Palestinian rights in the US right now. Anyone can be labelled a terrorist. I would label the IDF a terrorist organisation due to their methods, their justifications for the many human rights abuses and killings ring very hollow. They also encourage and support their own fundamentalists - aka settlers - to commit crimes. Lastly I think anyone who commits war crimes should be brought to the ICC; Israel has shown it is incapable of broadly prosecuting theses crimes and obviously the PA cant either. It is Israels fault if they kill civilians and I don't buy any of their justification as they've been shown again and again to be untrustworthy. I believe they will be found guilt of genocide in the end, and the countries who supplied them with the weapons and tech will be guilty of enabling a genocide - there's plenty of evidence that the state department in the US has brushed knowledge of human right abuses and war crimes under the carpet for political and ideological reasons.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> You mentioned America as an examplar of demcracy further up, while in truth it is an extremely flawed model of democracy I disagree with your framing, as does your source. The index you shared does not paint America as "extremely flawed", but just flawed (and even so, almost at the score of getting their highest rank). So adding the word "extremely" is your editorial take. However, their rating system is not transparent - it's not clear who they surveyed or what questions they asked. It's also clear this rating system is only somewhat correct in scoring countries - for example both Canada and Australia are democracies but have notable restrictions on free speech, a core principle of a free society and any democracy - but they were ranked higher than the US. > Anyone can be labelled a terrorist. Labels can be misused, but what actually happened? Has Israel been shooting rockets indiscriminately into Gaza? No, but people in Gaza have been doing that for a few decades now. In fact, the rocket attacks got a lot worse after Israel left Gaza in 2005. Is that not terrorism? > It is Israels fault if they kill civilians How can it be when they're pursuing terrorists who choose to use human shields on purpose? Israel has been careful to announce targets ahead of time and has gone above and beyond what any other country would to avoid civilian casualties. But in this situation, which was created by Hamas and their supporters, a country that wishes to protect itself from attacks can't achieve zero civilian deaths. That's unrealistic for any conflict, but especially this one.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

> You mentioned America as an examplar of demcracy further up, while in truth it is an extremely flawed model of democracy I disagree with your framing, as does your source. The index you shared does not paint America as "extremely flawed", but just flawed (and even so, almost at the score of getting their highest rank). So adding the word "extremely" is your editorial take. However, their rating system is not transparent - it's not clear who they surveyed or what questions they asked. It's also clear this rating system is only somewhat correct in scoring countries - for example both Canada and Australia are democracies but have notable restrictions on free speech, a core principle of a free society and any democracy - but they were ranked higher than the US. > Anyone can be labelled a terrorist. Labels can be misused, but what actually happened? Has Israel been shooting rockets indiscriminately into Gaza? No, but people in Gaza have been doing that for a few decades now. In fact, the rocket attacks got a lot worse after Israel left Gaza in 2005. Is that not terrorism? > It is Israels fault if they kill civilians How can it be when they're pursuing terrorists who choose to use human shields on purpose? Israel has been careful to announce targets ahead of time and has gone above and beyond what any other country would to avoid civilian casualties. But in this situation, which was created by Hamas and their supporters, a country that wishes to protect itself from attacks can't achieve zero civilian deaths. That's unrealistic for any conflict, but especially this one.