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Annexation by a violent dictatorship, cultural suppression, forced reeducation of hundreds of thousands of children separated from their parents, forced sterili

Annexation by a violent dictatorship, cultural suppression, forced reeducation of hundreds of thousands of children separated from their parents, forced sterilizations, forced abortions, labor camps, and large number of deaths isn’t magnanimous. It’s genocide under international law. It is wild that you’re even defending this. > PRC has successfully implemented securitization technology Is that the best euphemism you could come up with? > that's why there's broad support from Muslim leadership I’m not even sure who you’re talking about, but having military or economic ties distorting things isn’t the same as support. Find me a quote of an Arab leader explicitly supporting the genocide of Uyghurs by the CCP. > PRC figured out how to actually eliminate radical terrorism without droning weddings This is a hilarious rebranding of what the CCP/PRC actually did, which is thousands of times worse and larger in scale than the few drone incidents you’re talking about.

maxglute 2y ago
It absolutely does not qualify as genocide. Hence it's never been categorized as genocide by UN, unless you subscribe to Mike Pompeo's version international law. UN already recognize XJ as PRC, annexation is over, it's fully incorporated and legally part of soverign PRC soil for decades. There's more Uyghurs now then when campaign started (and ended)... at most it's cultural genocide, which unfortunately (or fortunately for everyone including west) ... is internationally permissible (no law against). Frankly some overdue cultural genocide to eliminate fundmentalism on 1% population to end decades of fundmental islamic terrorism is completely justifiable. It would be downright negligent and immoral not to, certainly more ethical than what US or ISR methods which you seem to play down. There aren't 100,000s children seperation. Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after. Entire program lasted ~4 years, even if you take peak US propaganda, 1/12 of Uyghurs is roughly life time internment for US blacks, except US minorities will end up up rotating through prison industrial complex for longer. Flip side of PRC enforcing family planning on previously exempt minorities is US banning abortions. No labour camps, just very generous rural labour transfer programs where they make multiple times current income. It's like if US had a jobs program that gave bottom quantile 50th percentile wages. Nor large number of deaths... barely any. Even peak retarded US propaganda doesn't pretend so. So yes, compared to Israel or US military actions, it's downright magnanimous. >euphemism It's not euphism, it's "safe city" technology, i.e. huawei surveillance for export. And countries are buying. Because you know, it's better than mowing the lawn with bombs, or spending a decade trying doing whatever the fuck GWOT was failing at that just ended up with (conservatively) 100,000s of dead muslims. > having military or economic ties distorting Except MENA has much closer military and economic ties with US... yet they still overwhelmingly side with PRC narrative over XJ. Entire excuse MENA leaders in PRC pocket is economically illiterate and geopolitcly stupid. There's isn't a quote of Arab leaders supporting genocide of Uyghurs, because none of them except occasionally Turkey recognize is Genocide. They recognize XJ securitization as deradicalization and antiterrorism effort, which it is, because it stopped both. And they endorse it, because they have most to gain from working deradicalization efforts. Which US does not have model for. Nor Israel. Well maybe Israel if they just keep murdering kids every few leap years. >thousands of times worse and larger My guy if you think US only responsible for a few drones, and Israel killed less Muslisms that PRC did in XJ, or if you think top is worse than bottom in pic below then you have some screws loose. Ultimately PRC did what US failed, fraction of the cost, and fraction of the lives, while adding 12x Afghan GDP per capita. Thinking that's 1000s worse and larger is delulu American math. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBEy7HyaUAA3V7c.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBEy7HyaUAA3V7c.jpg Let's just say if to Obama who got Nobel Peace prize trying to bring peace in the middle east, then Xi and Chen deserves 10.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  > It absolutely does not qualify as genocide Even just forced sterilization and abortions, which you admitted and rebranded as “enforcing family planning”, is genocide under international law. > Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after. Your few months claim is false. But let’s say it isn’t - are you really claiming this is okay? “Yea they just kidnap your children for a few months”. You clearly don’t have kids to minimize what this is and what it would do to the parents and children. > Nor large number of deaths... barely any Barely any that China admits. Of course they kept the area locked down, kept international agencies away, and admit nothing to keep the lie going. But numerous survivors have corroborated programs of torture and killings. You have to be naive or a CCP shill to think there were “barely any deaths”. Sorry but you’re outing yourself here with this unfactual take that a few web searches easily disprove.
  - maxglute 2y ago
    Last effort reply. > is genocide under international law No, genocide is conditional on intention to destroy. Which PRC policy isn't. It's just boring family planning that always applied to Han, that minorities historically got to opt out due to affirmative action, now equally applied to Uyhghurs with 3+ kids. Meanwhile Uyghur population contiues to increase, and family planning still limits Uyghurs and minorities to 3 kids like every other ethnic group, aka positive TFR / mathematically impossible to actually eliminate a minority. Hence it's retarded to think this satisfies definition for genocide, and why US propaganda campaign failed so hard. Because anyone except the most brain rot liberal world ordertard realize it's coercize integration/sinicization but not genocide. If PRC wanted to actually genocide Uyghurs, with their industrial capacity, they can do it in a weekend, instead they spent trillions retraining the populous and subsidize regions QoL. It's stupid to think it's genocide for the simple reason reducing 55 PRC minorities to 54 looks bad for Xi's hagiography. >few months claim is false Except it's true, most gets put through a few months of patriotic education to scare them from fundemental salafisim/salafijihadism. PRC doesn't have the money to waste interning million+ like US prison industrial complex forever because jailing people is profitable. I didn't say it was "OK", I just said a few months of scaring people straight at "don't be bad muslim camp" is much better/expedient/ethical than bombs. It's not minimizing, it's acknowledging that's better than kids spending years being afraid of the blue sky because some drone operator on CONUS can end you any time. And frequently do. Besides Han migrant parents are away from their kids for years, Uyghur kids can handle a few months living with relatives while their parents learn how to raise them to not commit terroism or go do a factory rotation in another province and bring home a years wage in a few months. >Barely any Barely any that US intelligence or anyone can find, barely any that even US propaganda under Pompeo didn't try to spin mass deaths because again it would have been absurd to even try. By survivors you mean atrocity propagandist begging for VISAs, idiots like Sayragul Sauytbay who "did not personally see violence" at the camps in 2018 to "inmates were flayed, raped by guards in front of other prisoners, and given injections that made them infertile" in 2019. You would have be naive to believe obvious attrocity propaganda. And even more delusional than a CIA shill to believe there were extreme deaths like scale of Gaza or GWOT since even POMPEO's CIA propaganda DOESN'T try to spin mass death. Like the most retarded anti-CCP/PRC "thinktanks" estimate for deaths is single digit thousands throughout XJ internment phase... for reference ~4000 prisoners die in US prisons every year i.e. the 4 years of XJ "reeduction" statistically killed less than US prisons during same time period. So let that settle in, your positions are literally more ridiculous than what lying Pompeo is willing to propagandize. Claiming otherwise is not just not factual but delusional beyond even already delusional propaganda. It's outing the sheer unhingedness of your worldview, which TBH explains how you think XJ is worse atrocity than GWOT or Gaza when XJ is objectively one of the most "humane" integration campaigns in human history. Humane =/= clean, just historically when integrating a minority, much more blood was shed and destruction was wrought over much longer period of time, and the minority populations generally weren't still growing while per capita GDP roughly doubles, oh and terrorist attacks basically eliminated for 1350 million people... which you seem to think is important enough for 10 million large Israel to rationalize their response.

maxglute 2y ago

It absolutely does not qualify as genocide. Hence it's never been categorized as genocide by UN, unless you subscribe to Mike Pompeo's version international law. UN already recognize XJ as PRC, annexation is over, it's fully incorporated and legally part of soverign PRC soil for decades. There's more Uyghurs now then when campaign started (and ended)... at most it's cultural genocide, which unfortunately (or fortunately for everyone including west) ... is internationally permissible (no law against). Frankly some overdue cultural genocide to eliminate fundmentalism on 1% population to end decades of fundmental islamic terrorism is completely justifiable. It would be downright negligent and immoral not to, certainly more ethical than what US or ISR methods which you seem to play down. There aren't 100,000s children seperation. Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after. Entire program lasted ~4 years, even if you take peak US propaganda, 1/12 of Uyghurs is roughly life time internment for US blacks, except US minorities will end up up rotating through prison industrial complex for longer. Flip side of PRC enforcing family planning on previously exempt minorities is US banning abortions. No labour camps, just very generous rural labour transfer programs where they make multiple times current income. It's like if US had a jobs program that gave bottom quantile 50th percentile wages. Nor large number of deaths... barely any. Even peak retarded US propaganda doesn't pretend so. So yes, compared to Israel or US military actions, it's downright magnanimous. >euphemism It's not euphism, it's "safe city" technology, i.e. huawei surveillance for export. And countries are buying. Because you know, it's better than mowing the lawn with bombs, or spending a decade trying doing whatever the fuck GWOT was failing at that just ended up with (conservatively) 100,000s of dead muslims. > having military or economic ties distorting Except MENA has much closer military and economic ties with US... yet they still overwhelmingly side with PRC narrative over XJ. Entire excuse MENA leaders in PRC pocket is economically illiterate and geopolitcly stupid. There's isn't a quote of Arab leaders supporting genocide of Uyghurs, because none of them except occasionally Turkey recognize is Genocide. They recognize XJ securitization as deradicalization and antiterrorism effort, which it is, because it stopped both. And they endorse it, because they have most to gain from working deradicalization efforts. Which US does not have model for. Nor Israel. Well maybe Israel if they just keep murdering kids every few leap years. >thousands of times worse and larger My guy if you think US only responsible for a few drones, and Israel killed less Muslisms that PRC did in XJ, or if you think top is worse than bottom in pic below then you have some screws loose. Ultimately PRC did what US failed, fraction of the cost, and fraction of the lives, while adding 12x Afghan GDP per capita. Thinking that's 1000s worse and larger is delulu American math. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBEy7HyaUAA3V7c.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBEy7HyaUAA3V7c.jpg Let's just say if to Obama who got Nobel Peace prize trying to bring peace in the middle east, then Xi and Chen deserves 10.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> It absolutely does not qualify as genocide Even just forced sterilization and abortions, which you admitted and rebranded as “enforcing family planning”, is genocide under international law. > Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after. Your few months claim is false. But let’s say it isn’t - are you really claiming this is okay? “Yea they just kidnap your children for a few months”. You clearly don’t have kids to minimize what this is and what it would do to the parents and children. > Nor large number of deaths... barely any Barely any that China admits. Of course they kept the area locked down, kept international agencies away, and admit nothing to keep the lie going. But numerous survivors have corroborated programs of torture and killings. You have to be naive or a CCP shill to think there were “barely any deaths”. Sorry but you’re outing yourself here with this unfactual take that a few web searches easily disprove.
- maxglute 2y ago
  Last effort reply. > is genocide under international law No, genocide is conditional on intention to destroy. Which PRC policy isn't. It's just boring family planning that always applied to Han, that minorities historically got to opt out due to affirmative action, now equally applied to Uyhghurs with 3+ kids. Meanwhile Uyghur population contiues to increase, and family planning still limits Uyghurs and minorities to 3 kids like every other ethnic group, aka positive TFR / mathematically impossible to actually eliminate a minority. Hence it's retarded to think this satisfies definition for genocide, and why US propaganda campaign failed so hard. Because anyone except the most brain rot liberal world ordertard realize it's coercize integration/sinicization but not genocide. If PRC wanted to actually genocide Uyghurs, with their industrial capacity, they can do it in a weekend, instead they spent trillions retraining the populous and subsidize regions QoL. It's stupid to think it's genocide for the simple reason reducing 55 PRC minorities to 54 looks bad for Xi's hagiography. >few months claim is false Except it's true, most gets put through a few months of patriotic education to scare them from fundemental salafisim/salafijihadism. PRC doesn't have the money to waste interning million+ like US prison industrial complex forever because jailing people is profitable. I didn't say it was "OK", I just said a few months of scaring people straight at "don't be bad muslim camp" is much better/expedient/ethical than bombs. It's not minimizing, it's acknowledging that's better than kids spending years being afraid of the blue sky because some drone operator on CONUS can end you any time. And frequently do. Besides Han migrant parents are away from their kids for years, Uyghur kids can handle a few months living with relatives while their parents learn how to raise them to not commit terroism or go do a factory rotation in another province and bring home a years wage in a few months. >Barely any Barely any that US intelligence or anyone can find, barely any that even US propaganda under Pompeo didn't try to spin mass deaths because again it would have been absurd to even try. By survivors you mean atrocity propagandist begging for VISAs, idiots like Sayragul Sauytbay who "did not personally see violence" at the camps in 2018 to "inmates were flayed, raped by guards in front of other prisoners, and given injections that made them infertile" in 2019. You would have be naive to believe obvious attrocity propaganda. And even more delusional than a CIA shill to believe there were extreme deaths like scale of Gaza or GWOT since even POMPEO's CIA propaganda DOESN'T try to spin mass death. Like the most retarded anti-CCP/PRC "thinktanks" estimate for deaths is single digit thousands throughout XJ internment phase... for reference ~4000 prisoners die in US prisons every year i.e. the 4 years of XJ "reeduction" statistically killed less than US prisons during same time period. So let that settle in, your positions are literally more ridiculous than what lying Pompeo is willing to propagandize. Claiming otherwise is not just not factual but delusional beyond even already delusional propaganda. It's outing the sheer unhingedness of your worldview, which TBH explains how you think XJ is worse atrocity than GWOT or Gaza when XJ is objectively one of the most "humane" integration campaigns in human history. Humane =/= clean, just historically when integrating a minority, much more blood was shed and destruction was wrought over much longer period of time, and the minority populations generally weren't still growing while per capita GDP roughly doubles, oh and terrorist attacks basically eliminated for 1350 million people... which you seem to think is important enough for 10 million large Israel to rationalize their response.