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> 2. It isn't chemically addictive or habit-forming for most people. I've never understood why people claim it's not addictive when there are well established

by cj 2y ago

> 2. It isn't chemically addictive or habit-forming for most people. I've never understood why people claim it's not addictive when there are well established symptoms experienced when withdrawing. Disruption in sleep quality, vivid dreams, insomnia, etc. I was a nightly smoker for a long time (only after 8pm, never during the day) -- it took extraordinary effort and multiple attempts to quit. Perhaps there isn't a specific biological addiction that can be defined precisely, but it's definitely addictive nonetheless.

triceratops 2y ago
"for most people" If you were a nightly smoker you were already addicted. Most cannabis users don't use it daily. In that way it's like alcohol. This is in contrast to tobacco users, who use it like caffeine.
- cj 2y ago
  By the same logic, you could say “cigarettes aren’t addictive for most people”.
  - triceratops 2y ago
    You could say that but you'd be wrong. 86% of cigarette smokers are daily smokers. [1] Only 28% of cannabis users (note: not smokers, users) are daily users. 42% are daily or near-daily users. [2] Cigarette smokers are 5 times more likely to be daily cannabis users. [3] Most cannabis users don't use it daily. An overwhelming majority of cigarette smokers smoke (both tobacco and cannabis) daily. There's no comparison. I'm very sorry for your struggles. They're not typical. I know that's cold comfort for you. 1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5934666/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5934666/ 2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38775461/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38775461/ 3. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers-are-five-times-more-likely-be-daily-marijuana-users https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers...
    - cj 2y ago
      Touché. Although those stats about cannabis support the idea that it’s addictive. Daily or near daily use of nearly 50% of users sounds like it must be habit forming..
      - triceratops 2y ago
        > Daily or near daily use of nearly 50% of users sounds like it must be habit forming.. Practically all of those daily/near daily cannabis users (5/6th of them) are tobacco smokers, as I also pointed out. From the third article I cited: https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers-are-five-times-more-likely-be-daily-marijuana-users https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers... says, compared to non-smokers, smokers are 5 times more likely to be daily cannabis users. Tobacco is intensely addictive.

by cj 2y ago

triceratops 2y ago

"for most people" If you were a nightly smoker you were already addicted. Most cannabis users don't use it daily. In that way it's like alcohol. This is in contrast to tobacco users, who use it like caffeine.

cj 2y ago
By the same logic, you could say “cigarettes aren’t addictive for most people”.
- triceratops 2y ago
  You could say that but you'd be wrong. 86% of cigarette smokers are daily smokers. [1] Only 28% of cannabis users (note: not smokers, users) are daily users. 42% are daily or near-daily users. [2] Cigarette smokers are 5 times more likely to be daily cannabis users. [3] Most cannabis users don't use it daily. An overwhelming majority of cigarette smokers smoke (both tobacco and cannabis) daily. There's no comparison. I'm very sorry for your struggles. They're not typical. I know that's cold comfort for you. 1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5934666/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5934666/ 2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38775461/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38775461/ 3. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers-are-five-times-more-likely-be-daily-marijuana-users https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers...
  - cj 2y ago
    Touché. Although those stats about cannabis support the idea that it’s addictive. Daily or near daily use of nearly 50% of users sounds like it must be habit forming..
    - triceratops 2y ago
      > Daily or near daily use of nearly 50% of users sounds like it must be habit forming.. Practically all of those daily/near daily cannabis users (5/6th of them) are tobacco smokers, as I also pointed out. From the third article I cited: https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers-are-five-times-more-likely-be-daily-marijuana-users https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/cigarette-smokers... says, compared to non-smokers, smokers are 5 times more likely to be daily cannabis users. Tobacco is intensely addictive.