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In fairness to the current administration, while the hiring freeze may have impacted ATC hiring, that is not causal here. No one hired last week would have been

In fairness to the current administration, while the hiring freeze may have impacted ATC hiring, that is not causal here. No one hired last week would have been running things today (if they were hit with the freeze).

elicash 2y ago
They were replying to a comment that said "We're going to need to hire more controllers." So I took their comment to be forward-looking. It's worth adding that Elon Musk's email that had the supposed "buyout" went to ATC folks -- however management was telling them they'd need to work through their resignation date, regardless, removing the point of it. Then again, Musk denied the buyout will work this way, that agencies can just do whatever they want on this and OPM seems to agree, so who knows.
sigmar 2y ago
Someone that was hired weeks or months ago, but scheduled to start last week, could* have been included in the hiring freeze. There's examples here of rescinded offers after doing irs on-boarding: https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2025/jan/executive-orders-hiring-freeze-causes-irs-to-cancel-some-job-offers.html?utm_source=perplexity https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2025/jan/executive... (Not that there's information that suggests this caused the incident)
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  That's not what the hiring freeze EO would have done: https://www.opm.gov/media/zkebfxow/omb-opm-federal-civilian-hiring-freeze-guidance-1-20-2025-final.pdf https://www.opm.gov/media/zkebfxow/omb-opm-federal-civilian-... If someone in your scenario had accepted the offer and was going to start last week, they would not have been included in the hiring freeze and would have been able to start. > Job offers made prior to noon on January 20, 2025, for which the individual has accepted the position and has a designated start date on or before February 8, 2025. Those individuals should report to work according to their respective designated start date.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
> not causal here but it does illustrate the type of future incident that it _could_ be causal of
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  Sure, I didn't say otherwise.
- liontwist 2y ago
  But we don’t know what the future of the policy is either.

elicash 2y ago

They were replying to a comment that said "We're going to need to hire more controllers." So I took their comment to be forward-looking. It's worth adding that Elon Musk's email that had the supposed "buyout" went to ATC folks -- however management was telling them they'd need to work through their resignation date, regardless, removing the point of it. Then again, Musk denied the buyout will work this way, that agencies can just do whatever they want on this and OPM seems to agree, so who knows.

sigmar 2y ago

Someone that was hired weeks or months ago, but scheduled to start last week, could* have been included in the hiring freeze. There's examples here of rescinded offers after doing irs on-boarding: https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2025/jan/executive-orders-hiring-freeze-causes-irs-to-cancel-some-job-offers.html?utm_source=perplexity https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2025/jan/executive... (Not that there's information that suggests this caused the incident)

Jtsummers 2y ago
That's not what the hiring freeze EO would have done: https://www.opm.gov/media/zkebfxow/omb-opm-federal-civilian-hiring-freeze-guidance-1-20-2025-final.pdf https://www.opm.gov/media/zkebfxow/omb-opm-federal-civilian-... If someone in your scenario had accepted the offer and was going to start last week, they would not have been included in the hiring freeze and would have been able to start. > Job offers made prior to noon on January 20, 2025, for which the individual has accepted the position and has a designated start date on or before February 8, 2025. Those individuals should report to work according to their respective designated start date.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

> not causal here but it does illustrate the type of future incident that it _could_ be causal of

Jtsummers 2y ago
Sure, I didn't say otherwise.
liontwist 2y ago
But we don’t know what the future of the policy is either.