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'DeepSeek is the side project of a bunch of quants' I doubt it very much that it only was that and not massivly backed by the Chinese state in general. As wit
by lukan 2y ago
'DeepSeek is the side project of a bunch of quants'
I doubt it very much that it only was that and not massivly backed by the Chinese state in general.
As with OpenAI, much of this has to do with hype based speculation.
In the case of OpenAI they played with the speculations, that they might have AGI locked up in their labs already and fueled those speculations.
The result, massive investment (now in danger).
And China and the US play a game of global hegemony. I just read articles with the essence of, see China is so great, that a small sideproject there can take down the leading players from the west! Come join them.
It is mere propaganda to me.
Now deepseek in the open is a good thing, but I believe the Chinese state is backing it up massivly to help with that success and to help shake the western world of dominance. I would also assume, the chinese intelligence services helped directly with Intel straight out of OpenAI and co labs.
This is about real power.
Many states are about to decide which side they should take, if they have to choose between West and East. Stuff like this heavily influences those decisions.
(But btw. most don't want to have to choose)
- jychang 2y agoI don't buy this, simply because if the Chinese government were to back an effort, it wouldn't be Deepseek. Alibaba has Qwen. Baidu, Huawei, Tencent, etc all have their own AI models. The Chinese government would most likely push one of these forward with their backing, not an unknown small company.
- lukan 2y agoUnless of course, they want to sell the "small underdog" story. I don't claim it is all staged. The researchers seem genuine. But they can be good researchers and still said yes at some point to big government help, if smart chinese government employes recognized their potential.
- persedes 2y agoTo corroborate the side project angle, their sdks are quite literally taken from openai: # Please install OpenAI SDK first: `pip3 install openai` from openai import OpenAI client = OpenAI(api_key="<DeepSeek API Key>", base_url="https://api.deepseek.com")