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You're absolutely right. To start with, I'm focusing on capturing and converting existing Clojure devs. However, there's a very large pool of C++ devs who could

by Jeaye 2y ago

You're absolutely right. To start with, I'm focusing on capturing and converting existing Clojure devs. However, there's a very large pool of C++ devs who could benefit from jank. As you said, jank not only needs to be ready for them, they need to be educated on lisps, functional programming, data-oriented programming, REPL-based interactive development, etc. It's not an easy learning curve right now, into Clojure. I aim to focus a good deal of time, post jank's launch, to create materials which enable this. Materials specifically targeted at OOP devs coming from the native space.

lincpa 2y ago
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butterisgood 2y ago
I can imagine Jank being incredible “glue” to start until it takes over by osmosis. (For c++ of course) Maybe I should play some advent of code games with it to get comfy!
vlovich123 2y ago
As someone who might be in your target demographic in theory but not familiar with Clojure, what capabilities does Clojure itself offer as a language that a different mainstream scripting language doesn’t? For example, I’ve always thought that the interesting part of Erlang is Beam & the uninteresting part was a niche language. Beam with JS as the language is much more approachable & leverages a rich existing ecosystem of tooling & libraries. Indeed, if you look at it the right way Cloudflare Workers is exactly that; isolated virtual processes within a single OS process that communicate with each other using a message based IPC & if they crash just the microservice is taken down & transparently relaunched. So from that perspective, why Clojure instead of the same features on a different more popular language?
- ndr 2y ago
  It's hard to describe what immutable/persistent data structures do to your thinking. A lot of responsibilities move to the edges and you're left being able to think and tests pieces of code in isolation. The repl becomes usable, and you code from inside your running program. It's a steep step to get started but it's going to transform how you think about some problems.

by Jeaye 2y ago

lincpa 2y ago

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butterisgood 2y ago

I can imagine Jank being incredible “glue” to start until it takes over by osmosis. (For c++ of course) Maybe I should play some advent of code games with it to get comfy!

vlovich123 2y ago

As someone who might be in your target demographic in theory but not familiar with Clojure, what capabilities does Clojure itself offer as a language that a different mainstream scripting language doesn’t? For example, I’ve always thought that the interesting part of Erlang is Beam & the uninteresting part was a niche language. Beam with JS as the language is much more approachable & leverages a rich existing ecosystem of tooling & libraries. Indeed, if you look at it the right way Cloudflare Workers is exactly that; isolated virtual processes within a single OS process that communicate with each other using a message based IPC & if they crash just the microservice is taken down & transparently relaunched. So from that perspective, why Clojure instead of the same features on a different more popular language?

ndr 2y ago
It's hard to describe what immutable/persistent data structures do to your thinking. A lot of responsibilities move to the edges and you're left being able to think and tests pieces of code in isolation. The repl becomes usable, and you code from inside your running program. It's a steep step to get started but it's going to transform how you think about some problems.