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Nonsense like this is why I personally will never buy a google hardware product ever again. It is also why it is so difficult to recommend an android phone bec

Nonsense like this is why I personally will never buy a google hardware product ever again. It is also why it is so difficult to recommend an android phone because of google being an advert company first.

Freak_NL 2y ago
The other side of the coin is that the Pixels are one of the few (only?) devices supported by GrapheneOS. (My Pixel 6 is rock solid on that by the way.)
- eldaisfish 2y ago
  I had a nexus 5x and then a pixel 4a. The latter I bought used as a burner phone. This is the core problem - it is a roll of the dice whether your hardware will work five years from today. I’m less concerned about the software but that is also a problem. Meanwhile, my iPhone SE from 2016 still works as advertised.
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ycombinatrix 2y ago
apple is an advertising company too. what's the alternative?
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  Something like CalyxOS on Fairphone, presumably.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  Apple also has an advertising company. And they track you, but they get money by selling you stuff mostly. I’m deep into the Apple ecosystem system and they don’t force updates, try to upsell me every time updates are installed. I have no ads on the apps I use. They are quite happy for you to fork over gobs of money and call it a day. Googles primary source of income is ads. All this stuff they do is the primary way they get money. People need to stop being surprised this is where they ended up.
  - kllrnohj 2y ago
    > I’m deep into the Apple ecosystem system and they don’t force updates My iPad is pretty naggy to install updates, moreso than my Pixel phone even. iOS doesn't automatically update like Android does, but if anything that seems less like it's because Apple disagrees with that and more because their update system is so shit they can't get away with it. It's inexcusably slow to apply updates. > try to upsell me every time updates are installed They are the only ones to have lost a lawsuit for doing literally this. Batterygate wasn't that long ago, surely you didn't forget about it already? Heck class actions about it are still happening in various countries!
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      So if they hadn’t push the update to throttle your phone when the battery could no longer run at full speed would that have been better?
      - ycombinatrix 2y ago
        "Your phone battery has degraded and cannot run the CPU at full speed. Please replace the battery." this dead simple warning message + a switch to toggle CPU throttling is all anyone ever wanted. However that would require them to respect their users' intelligence - not Apple's style.
  - ycombinatrix 2y ago
    Yea, Apple's advertising business is a non-profit public good venture right? I do my part to support Chinese factory workers by purchasing the latest iPhone™
- StressedDev 2y ago
  Apple is no where near as invasive as Google. Most sites on the Internet phone home to Google. Here are some examples: https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/ https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/ https://news.google.com/swg/js/v1/swg.js https://news.google.com/swg/js/v1/swg.js - I found these on the Washington Post's web site. https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/opensans/v20/cJZKeOuBrn4kERxqtaUH3ZBw1xU1rKptJj_0jans920.woff2 https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/opensans/v20/cJZKeOuBrn4kERxqtaU... https://www.googletagmanager.com/static/service_worker/51n0/sw_iframe.html?origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com https://www.googletagmanager.com/static/service_worker/51n0/... - I found these on New Egg's home page. https://cm.g.doubleclick.net/pixel?google_nid=a9&google_cm&ex=doubleclick.net&gdpr_consent= https://cm.g.doubleclick.net/pixel?google_nid=a9&google_cm&e... - I found this going to Amazon's home page. https://www.gstatic.com/recaptcha/releases/I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5ncHSz-bd/recaptcha__en.js https://www.gstatic.com/recaptcha/releases/I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5n... https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LetQiEUAAAAAC5mkK_YsHGJjLE7vxjMTIaNn3MA&co=aHR0cHM6Ly9kZW1vY3JhdHMub3JnOjQ0Mw..&hl=en&v=I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5ncHSz-bd&size=invisible&cb=mthfvs7ak7h5 https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LetQiEU... https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/roboto/v18/KFOmCnqEu92Fr1Mu4mxK.woff2 https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/roboto/v18/KFOmCnqEu92Fr1Mu4mxK.... - I found all of these on democrats.org. https://ad.doubleclick.net/activity;register_conversion=1;src=9323526;type=landi0;cat=landi0;ord=9225588007720;npa=0;auiddc=1607368943.1738217936;ps=1;pcor=1569737077;uaa=x86;uab=64;uafvl=Not%2520A(Brand%3B8.0.0.0%7CChromium%3B132.0.6834.111%7CMicrosoft%2520Edge%3B132.0.2957.127;uamb=0;uam=;uap=Windows;uapv=19.0.0;uaw=0;pscdl=noapi;frm=0;gtm=45fe51t0v9190569873z876803678za201zb76803678;gcd=13l3l3l3l1l1;dma=0;tag_exp=102067808~102081485~102123608~102528644~102539968~102546754;epver=2;~oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gop.com%2F https://ad.doubleclick.net/activity;register_conversion=1;sr...? https://9323526.fls.doubleclick.net/activityi;src=9323526;type=landi0;cat=landi0;ord=9225588007720;npa=0;auiddc=1607368943.1738217936;ps=1;pcor=1569737077;uaa=x86;uab=64;uafvl=Not%2520A(Brand%3B8.0.0.0%7CChromium%3B132.0.6834.111%7CMicrosoft%2520Edge%3B132.0.2957.127;uamb=0;uam=;uap=Windows;uapv=19.0.0;uaw=0;pscdl=noapi;frm=0;gtm=45fe51t0v9190569873z876803678za201zb76803678;gcd=13l3l3l3l1l1;dma=0;tag_exp=102067808~102081485~102123608~102528644~102539968~102546754;epver=2;~oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gop.com%2F https://9323526.fls.doubleclick.net/activityi;src=9323526;ty...? https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LdJ810bAAAAAMndGBa4Auy_FR7SjbKNuCDSbtDb&co=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29wLmNvbTo0NDM.&hl=en&v=I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5ncHSz-bd&size=invisible&cb=tujjkvaqcok9 https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LdJ810b... - I found these on www.gop.com. Basically, Google tracks peopple everywhere. They track what news you read, where you shop, and what political party you support. Apple does none of this. No one tracks people on the Internet like Google. Facebook doesn't. Amazon doesn't. X doesn't. Microsoft doesn't (the own Bing). Apple certainly doesn't.

Freak_NL 2y ago

The other side of the coin is that the Pixels are one of the few (only?) devices supported by GrapheneOS. (My Pixel 6 is rock solid on that by the way.)

eldaisfish 2y ago
I had a nexus 5x and then a pixel 4a. The latter I bought used as a burner phone. This is the core problem - it is a roll of the dice whether your hardware will work five years from today. I’m less concerned about the software but that is also a problem. Meanwhile, my iPhone SE from 2016 still works as advertised.
- deleted 2y ago
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ycombinatrix 2y ago

apple is an advertising company too. what's the alternative?

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
Something like CalyxOS on Fairphone, presumably.
2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
Apple also has an advertising company. And they track you, but they get money by selling you stuff mostly. I’m deep into the Apple ecosystem system and they don’t force updates, try to upsell me every time updates are installed. I have no ads on the apps I use. They are quite happy for you to fork over gobs of money and call it a day. Googles primary source of income is ads. All this stuff they do is the primary way they get money. People need to stop being surprised this is where they ended up.
- kllrnohj 2y ago
  > I’m deep into the Apple ecosystem system and they don’t force updates My iPad is pretty naggy to install updates, moreso than my Pixel phone even. iOS doesn't automatically update like Android does, but if anything that seems less like it's because Apple disagrees with that and more because their update system is so shit they can't get away with it. It's inexcusably slow to apply updates. > try to upsell me every time updates are installed They are the only ones to have lost a lawsuit for doing literally this. Batterygate wasn't that long ago, surely you didn't forget about it already? Heck class actions about it are still happening in various countries!
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    So if they hadn’t push the update to throttle your phone when the battery could no longer run at full speed would that have been better?
    - ycombinatrix 2y ago
      "Your phone battery has degraded and cannot run the CPU at full speed. Please replace the battery." this dead simple warning message + a switch to toggle CPU throttling is all anyone ever wanted. However that would require them to respect their users' intelligence - not Apple's style.
- ycombinatrix 2y ago
  Yea, Apple's advertising business is a non-profit public good venture right? I do my part to support Chinese factory workers by purchasing the latest iPhone™
StressedDev 2y ago
Apple is no where near as invasive as Google. Most sites on the Internet phone home to Google. Here are some examples: https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/ https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/ https://news.google.com/swg/js/v1/swg.js https://news.google.com/swg/js/v1/swg.js - I found these on the Washington Post's web site. https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/opensans/v20/cJZKeOuBrn4kERxqtaUH3ZBw1xU1rKptJj_0jans920.woff2 https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/opensans/v20/cJZKeOuBrn4kERxqtaU... https://www.googletagmanager.com/static/service_worker/51n0/sw_iframe.html?origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com https://www.googletagmanager.com/static/service_worker/51n0/... - I found these on New Egg's home page. https://cm.g.doubleclick.net/pixel?google_nid=a9&google_cm&ex=doubleclick.net&gdpr_consent= https://cm.g.doubleclick.net/pixel?google_nid=a9&google_cm&e... - I found this going to Amazon's home page. https://www.gstatic.com/recaptcha/releases/I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5ncHSz-bd/recaptcha__en.js https://www.gstatic.com/recaptcha/releases/I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5n... https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LetQiEUAAAAAC5mkK_YsHGJjLE7vxjMTIaNn3MA&co=aHR0cHM6Ly9kZW1vY3JhdHMub3JnOjQ0Mw..&hl=en&v=I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5ncHSz-bd&size=invisible&cb=mthfvs7ak7h5 https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LetQiEU... https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/roboto/v18/KFOmCnqEu92Fr1Mu4mxK.woff2 https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/roboto/v18/KFOmCnqEu92Fr1Mu4mxK.... - I found all of these on democrats.org. https://ad.doubleclick.net/activity;register_conversion=1;src=9323526;type=landi0;cat=landi0;ord=9225588007720;npa=0;auiddc=1607368943.1738217936;ps=1;pcor=1569737077;uaa=x86;uab=64;uafvl=Not%2520A(Brand%3B8.0.0.0%7CChromium%3B132.0.6834.111%7CMicrosoft%2520Edge%3B132.0.2957.127;uamb=0;uam=;uap=Windows;uapv=19.0.0;uaw=0;pscdl=noapi;frm=0;gtm=45fe51t0v9190569873z876803678za201zb76803678;gcd=13l3l3l3l1l1;dma=0;tag_exp=102067808~102081485~102123608~102528644~102539968~102546754;epver=2;~oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gop.com%2F https://ad.doubleclick.net/activity;register_conversion=1;sr...? https://9323526.fls.doubleclick.net/activityi;src=9323526;type=landi0;cat=landi0;ord=9225588007720;npa=0;auiddc=1607368943.1738217936;ps=1;pcor=1569737077;uaa=x86;uab=64;uafvl=Not%2520A(Brand%3B8.0.0.0%7CChromium%3B132.0.6834.111%7CMicrosoft%2520Edge%3B132.0.2957.127;uamb=0;uam=;uap=Windows;uapv=19.0.0;uaw=0;pscdl=noapi;frm=0;gtm=45fe51t0v9190569873z876803678za201zb76803678;gcd=13l3l3l3l1l1;dma=0;tag_exp=102067808~102081485~102123608~102528644~102539968~102546754;epver=2;~oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gop.com%2F https://9323526.fls.doubleclick.net/activityi;src=9323526;ty...? https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LdJ810bAAAAAMndGBa4Auy_FR7SjbKNuCDSbtDb&co=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29wLmNvbTo0NDM.&hl=en&v=I0bG74fWAenNf3Z5ncHSz-bd&size=invisible&cb=tujjkvaqcok9 https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/anchor?ar=1&k=6LdJ810b... - I found these on www.gop.com. Basically, Google tracks peopple everywhere. They track what news you read, where you shop, and what political party you support. Apple does none of this. No one tracks people on the Internet like Google. Facebook doesn't. Amazon doesn't. X doesn't. Microsoft doesn't (the own Bing). Apple certainly doesn't.