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Absolutely. Chinese companies shouldn't have chips because their government has "committed human rights violations, has behaved aggressively on the world stage"
by k1m 2y ago
Absolutely. Chinese companies shouldn't have chips because their government has "committed human rights violations, has behaved aggressively on the world stage". And the US government hasn't?
- CuriouslyC 2y agoJust wait. By year 2 of Trump 2.0, China is going to be the global good guy that Europe and Latin America make their new best friend.
- rcarmo 2y agoYear 2? We're almost there at _month_ 2.
- CuriouslyC 2y agoOh, people are thinking it now for sure, but it takes a while to retool your relationships and build out a new trade network so you can safely tell a major trading partner to fuck themselves to threats of 100% tariffs.
- rcarmo 2y agoWell, the British did it to Europe, so I'm pretty sure Europe can emulate their winning strategy :)
- bnj 2y agoIsn’t it like… week 2?
- rcarmo 2y agoYou're right. It's been that intense - or I've actually been feeling the shift since the election ended, not the inauguration.
- MiiMe19 2y agoIf Europe and Latin America want to buddy up with the concentration camp gang, I really don't care. We do not need fascists and communists as our partners.
- CuriouslyC 2y agoFunny you mention fascists. As for China being a concentration camp gang, that's not going to matter when their former big brother/ally is just relentlessly bullying them and trying to extract all sorts of concessions under duress, and the alternative has demonstrated to be a reliable ally and partner.
- MiiMe19 2y agoOnce again, I don't really care if Europe decides that is who they want to be friends with. If your country thinks that trade is more important than the country currently directly committing a modern holocaust, I don't want us to be allied with you at all.
- Al-Khwarizmi 2y agoAs opposed to the country openly supporting the ongoing genocide in Gaza, which would not be possible without its help?
- MiiMe19 2y agoYeah. I personally think we should just sink the middle east into the ocean because not a single problem there will ever be resolved in a meaningful way.
- CuriouslyC 2y agoIronically, if Trump keeps running this playbook, it's going to end with a USA/Russia/Israel bloc and a Europe/LatAm/Africa/China bloc. Which one of those sounds like the evil empire to you?
- breakitmakeit 2y ago[flagged]
- swarnie 2y agoTo be fair you should have socialised healthcare 70 years ago like the rest of the civilised world.
- hellojesus 2y agoArticle 1 Section 8 does not enumerate Congress with the power to provide healthcare, so Medicaid should onoy be a state level program. I know removing it harms those at the low end of the income spectrum, and that is a bummer, but I really would prefer Congress ammend the Constitution instead of just passing laws of which they have no authority to pass.
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- breakitmakeit 2y agoAnd thus is shown that legal reasoning is not equivalent to moral reasoning
- hellojesus 2y agoIn my opinion, it would be more moral to allow charity to cover healthcare for low wealth individuals over a government provided solution. But even supposing a government funded solution is best, why push to the feds what could be solved by the state?
- breakitmakeit 2y agoThat is... bonkers. At the risk of feeding a troll, I find it difficult to take the argument that voluntary contributions to public health through charity is more "moral", which in the case of health care I would argue is equivalent to "effective", than a system implemented by an organization with enormous power (the government) which at least theoretically has a direct duty to its stake holders (voters), who in turn have the power to enact change in that system if it's not serving them? (by voting) They just kind of have to give up their power and hope? Buddy, one cursory glance at history will show that hoping gets you nowhere.
- Fernicia 2y agoTo say the two are remotely comparable is either insincere or naive. Like I'm not saying the US always acts utterly virtuously, but they aren't running concentration camps and chemically castrating entire ethic groups. They also aren't imprisoning people for speech, which is important when we're discussing who we want controlling AI in the future.
- danielpeach 2y agoDo you remember when the US lied to everyone about WMDs and then caused the deaths of at least 100k Iraqi civilians?
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoOr overthrew democracies in South America, leading to the refugee crisis it now refuses to take responsibility for. The entity that is least problematic (of the available options) and should be entrusted is the European Union.
- _t9ow 2y ago> overthrew democracies in South America Don't forget Central America and Iran; supporting military dictators in Southeast Asia (Marcos in the Philippines and Suharto in Indonesia); invading Haiti and raiding it of the entirety of its gold reserves, condemning its people to poverty -- one could go on and on.
- etblg 2y agoI mean hell, one of the states (Hawaii) didn't even join willingly, it was annexed by President McKinley by force.
- k1m 2y agoI made no such comparison, but if you really want to start comparing government crimes and human rights abuses, I think you'll find we can make a stronger moral case arguing for chip bans for US companies than Chinese companies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOBKTmaQ9M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOBKTmaQ9M
- MiiMe19 2y ago[flagged]
- k1m 2y agoDo you really think the US is going to come out on top as the "lesser evil" if we start listing all the "bad things" each side has done related to human rights abuses and behaving aggressively on the world stage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOBKTmaQ9M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOBKTmaQ9M
- MiiMe19 2y ago[flagged]
- guerrilla 2y agoIndeed, the US has committed human rights violations pretty consistently. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...
- MiiMe19 2y agoNote how interesting it is that you can read about these on the internet in the US on US hosted servers by US companies. At least we own up to it and don't just throw you in a mental asylum like they do to anyone who dares to stand up to the CCP.