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Democratic USA must prevail against Communist China by having better models. edit: (Please read this in a sarcastic voice, I think it's a crazy idea!)

suraci 2y ago
otherwise it will become to a multipolar world(or 'bipolar', said the article) that would be horrible, a multipolar world? what a nightmare
- rvnx 2y ago
  As users, we would have more choices, more competition, and access to cheaper AI, more freedom (if DeepSeek stays open), higher quality models. The same with chips, if no sanctions on exports to NVIDIA, we would have access to Huawei Ascend chips (used by DeepSeek to have lower runtime costs)
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  Multipolar world is probably going to have multiple wars on the "edges of control", similar to the one now raging in Ukraine. It may also have some positives, too, but situations with several similarly sized powers competing for primacy have historically been pretty bloody. Unlike Apple and Google, the US, China, Russia etc. have military forces at their disposal.
  - suraci 2y ago
    well, from the historical perspective, it's more easy(or equally hard) to achieve a peaceful multipolar world than a eternal unipolar world i mean, all 'rule-based international order' died in history, the Holy Roman Empire, the First Empire of France, and the ancient Chinese empire died in every 300 years even there is no China, even the empire doesn't implode, will africans and south americans be willing to mining for the west for all their lives? there will be Sankaras and Castros in every several decades, every hegemony has an end or, american exceptionalism?
    - inglor_cz 2y ago
      Can you name a single period of peaceful multipolar world in situations where the Great Powers could actually reach one another militarily? I mean, the fact that the Romans and the Chinese never clashed over future Kazakhstan is not a proof of a peaceful multipolar world. It is simply a corollary of the fact that neither empire was able to expand into the steppe.
      - suraci 2y ago
        so it's equally hard and, i know you guys don't like it, but that's what communism aims for it's an extremely glorious and great undertaking that has never been done by our predecessors
  - scilro 2y ago
    US unipolar hegemony has averted an all-out war, but it has also been very bloody, or at least immiserating, for people at its periphery. Multipolarity doesn't imply we go back to the 1910s. The idea would be to strengthen multilateral institutions that put a check on things like the World Wars.
    - inglor_cz 2y ago
      Humans are pretty much the same as they were in the 1910s, or the entire history before. If there is anything that keeps us from tearing each other's throats out, it is a) democracy, which in most countries makes going into a war of aggression somewhat harder (I know, the US is a huge exception, but Trump I. was partially elected on the basis of Clinton being perceived as a war hawk), and b) the intuition that weapons are now so destructive that there is nothing to win, except scorched earth. Still that didn't stop Putin from launching his war; miscalculation such as his ("the enemy is a paper tiger and will fold immediately") is very possible even today. IIRC the same delusion led Saddam to invade Iran in 1980.
      - suraci 2y ago
        > democracy, which in most countries makes going into a war of aggression somewhat harder no, it's just because some countrys lost their power of aggression, nothing related to democracy the US is not the only one with dirty hands, every NATO member is part of it just check France, the only reason it doesn't colonize african anymore is it's too weak not a single french voter gives a fk about what france is doing in africa
- bcrosby95 2y ago
  Powerful people are playing chess and the rest of us are pawns - whatever could go wrong?
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Depending on your perspective, pawns that get promoted?
- verdverm 2y ago
  Worry not, we have lots of drugs we can prescribe for this in the US
- dtquad 2y ago
  Yes, last time we had a "multipolar world" it was absolutely terrible.
rvnx 2y ago
OpenAI already announced they will be copying DeepSeek implementation, and that they will make sure not to share it with anyone else than themselves

suraci 2y ago

otherwise it will become to a multipolar world(or 'bipolar', said the article) that would be horrible, a multipolar world? what a nightmare

rvnx 2y ago
As users, we would have more choices, more competition, and access to cheaper AI, more freedom (if DeepSeek stays open), higher quality models. The same with chips, if no sanctions on exports to NVIDIA, we would have access to Huawei Ascend chips (used by DeepSeek to have lower runtime costs)
inglor_cz 2y ago
Multipolar world is probably going to have multiple wars on the "edges of control", similar to the one now raging in Ukraine. It may also have some positives, too, but situations with several similarly sized powers competing for primacy have historically been pretty bloody. Unlike Apple and Google, the US, China, Russia etc. have military forces at their disposal.
- suraci 2y ago
  well, from the historical perspective, it's more easy(or equally hard) to achieve a peaceful multipolar world than a eternal unipolar world i mean, all 'rule-based international order' died in history, the Holy Roman Empire, the First Empire of France, and the ancient Chinese empire died in every 300 years even there is no China, even the empire doesn't implode, will africans and south americans be willing to mining for the west for all their lives? there will be Sankaras and Castros in every several decades, every hegemony has an end or, american exceptionalism?
  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    Can you name a single period of peaceful multipolar world in situations where the Great Powers could actually reach one another militarily? I mean, the fact that the Romans and the Chinese never clashed over future Kazakhstan is not a proof of a peaceful multipolar world. It is simply a corollary of the fact that neither empire was able to expand into the steppe.
    - suraci 2y ago
      so it's equally hard and, i know you guys don't like it, but that's what communism aims for it's an extremely glorious and great undertaking that has never been done by our predecessors
- scilro 2y ago
  US unipolar hegemony has averted an all-out war, but it has also been very bloody, or at least immiserating, for people at its periphery. Multipolarity doesn't imply we go back to the 1910s. The idea would be to strengthen multilateral institutions that put a check on things like the World Wars.
  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    Humans are pretty much the same as they were in the 1910s, or the entire history before. If there is anything that keeps us from tearing each other's throats out, it is a) democracy, which in most countries makes going into a war of aggression somewhat harder (I know, the US is a huge exception, but Trump I. was partially elected on the basis of Clinton being perceived as a war hawk), and b) the intuition that weapons are now so destructive that there is nothing to win, except scorched earth. Still that didn't stop Putin from launching his war; miscalculation such as his ("the enemy is a paper tiger and will fold immediately") is very possible even today. IIRC the same delusion led Saddam to invade Iran in 1980.
    - suraci 2y ago
      > democracy, which in most countries makes going into a war of aggression somewhat harder no, it's just because some countrys lost their power of aggression, nothing related to democracy the US is not the only one with dirty hands, every NATO member is part of it just check France, the only reason it doesn't colonize african anymore is it's too weak not a single french voter gives a fk about what france is doing in africa
bcrosby95 2y ago
Powerful people are playing chess and the rest of us are pawns - whatever could go wrong?
- verdverm 2y ago
  Depending on your perspective, pawns that get promoted?
verdverm 2y ago
Worry not, we have lots of drugs we can prescribe for this in the US
dtquad 2y ago
Yes, last time we had a "multipolar world" it was absolutely terrible.

rvnx 2y ago

OpenAI already announced they will be copying DeepSeek implementation, and that they will make sure not to share it with anyone else than themselves