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>> ideally we'd only be reporting for children and adults born in the US. > Only US-born people are literate in English? Wow, I hope you'll rethink that becaus

>> ideally we'd only be reporting for children and adults born in the US. > Only US-born people are literate in English? Wow, I hope you'll rethink that because on a case-by-case basis, immigrants may certainly have higher English literacy than US-born. I don't know where you got that. My comment clearly stated: > immigrants who don't speak English well > to reflect how our educational system is doing So yes, if we want to judge our educational system, then someone who grew up in Norway with perfect English is also quite irrelevant to that. I never said immigrants as a whole don't speak English well. I clearly said the ones who don't speak English well. Which, of course, there are many, and there is a recent uptick. I'm not saying anything political here.

cf100clunk 2y ago
The kid who grew up in Norway who is now sitting in a U.S. public school classroom may very well have higher English literacy and proficiency. Also, I admit that when I read your ''don't speak English well'' comment I assumed you also meant reading and writing.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  > The kid who grew up in Norway who is now sitting in a U.S. public school classroom may very well have higher English literacy and proficiency. Yes, of course. But if they learned English in Norway, then their performance isn't a reflection of the US school system, and so doesn't reflect on its educational quality. Does that make sense? > I admit that when I read your ''don't saeek English well'' comment I assumed you also meant reading and writing. I did, of course. It's pretty rare to be good at reading and writing a language without being able to speak it too.
  - cf100clunk 2y ago
    > It's pretty rare to be good at reading and writing a language without being able to speak it too After a long career in global tech I have to take issue with that, but then I'd be relying on my own memories of colleagues, bosses, and hires, and not quantifiable data. We're discussing school kids, after all.

cf100clunk 2y ago

The kid who grew up in Norway who is now sitting in a U.S. public school classroom may very well have higher English literacy and proficiency. Also, I admit that when I read your ''don't speak English well'' comment I assumed you also meant reading and writing.

crazygringo 2y ago
> The kid who grew up in Norway who is now sitting in a U.S. public school classroom may very well have higher English literacy and proficiency. Yes, of course. But if they learned English in Norway, then their performance isn't a reflection of the US school system, and so doesn't reflect on its educational quality. Does that make sense? > I admit that when I read your ''don't saeek English well'' comment I assumed you also meant reading and writing. I did, of course. It's pretty rare to be good at reading and writing a language without being able to speak it too.
- cf100clunk 2y ago
  > It's pretty rare to be good at reading and writing a language without being able to speak it too After a long career in global tech I have to take issue with that, but then I'd be relying on my own memories of colleagues, bosses, and hires, and not quantifiable data. We're discussing school kids, after all.