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Dissolving the department of education and pushing (a single) religion in schools will be sure to accelerate the decline.

by cdme 2y ago

MPSFounder 2y ago
Private schools can afford to tailor education for their students and train them for Ivy League access. The poor will suffer most from this, as is often the case. Lower income individuals will occupy their kids with tech, while the rich can afford private lessons (like Zuckerberg received). America is the land of opportunity, but this is bound to get worse with the current administration (they had Betsy Devos last time!)
- cdme 2y ago
  America left the whole land of opportunity thing behind a while ago. It's more the land of struggle to get by and hope the rich don't trample you now. Upward mobility is sold but rarely achievable.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    That depends entirely on your own perspective, namely if you're ambitious or wallowing in despair. America is a free country, the country and indeed the world is what you make of it. Nobody ever said living free was easy.
    - trod1234 2y ago
      Immaterial. There are a great number of studies completing that show that opportunities for upward mobility simply are no longer there for the vast majority. David Willets summarized and touched on studies done by the Resolution Foundation, and wrote a book on the subject matter extensively, "The Pinch, How the Baby Boomers Stole their children's future". There's a big difference between living hand to mouth as an individual wage slave, and making enough to be able to support having children, let alone the gross excess of the Zuckerbergs or globalists of the world.
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        You're only strengthening my argument. An ambitious man isn't going to care what some "studies" say about how bad and sad and evil the world is. He's just going to do what needs doing and enjoy the fruits of his labors. You're never going to succeed if you let others' negativity beat you into submission. You're literally in the company of people who create and invest in startups. Who cares what bad things others are saying, it's your life.
        trod1234 2y ago
        There's something to be said about not being blind to the reality of things.
    - cdme 2y ago
      I dunno, a disparity in wealth exceeding that of the gilded age does seem like a significant issue.
Dig1t 2y ago
>pushing (a single) religion in schools What’s the source for this? I have never heard anything about this. The Department of Education has a massive budget that has ballooned to $268B, much of which is wasted on administrative bloat. If education quality is declining and standards are dropping it seems right to reconsider the existence of the department.
- cf100clunk 2y ago
  > much of which is wasted on administrative bloat What’s the source for this?
andrewmcwatters 2y ago
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- p_j_w 2y ago
  GP didn't even offer a hint of criticism of the religion itself, only to the insistence that children be indoctrinated to it in public schools. It's curious and kind of telling that Christians view that as a personal attack on them.
- cdme 2y ago
  Hah. I just don't want it in public schools. Attract people to your church and beliefs, don't use state power to force them on everyone. Thanks.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Public schools being extensions of the government can't teach religion without violating the guarantee to not favor certain religions over others. That being said though, the US is in practice a Christian country first and foremost and that's likely not going to ever change.
  - andrewmcwatters 2y ago
    That's a straw man argument unrelated to the article. No need to be smug either, it doesn't help make your case of not being a bigot.
trod1234 2y ago
The decline was inevitable from the get go, centralized systems fall to ruin and when they are unable to self-regulate you need to dissolve and start fresh. There are points of no return in systems, after which cascading problems prevent any future resolution. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3263007/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3263007/

Dissolving the department of education and pushing (a single) religion in schools will be sure to accelerate the decline.

by cdme 2y ago

Dissolving the department of education and pushing (a single) religion in schools will be sure to accelerate the decline.

MPSFounder 2y ago

Private schools can afford to tailor education for their students and train them for Ivy League access. The poor will suffer most from this, as is often the case. Lower income individuals will occupy their kids with tech, while the rich can afford private lessons (like Zuckerberg received). America is the land of opportunity, but this is bound to get worse with the current administration (they had Betsy Devos last time!)

cdme 2y ago
America left the whole land of opportunity thing behind a while ago. It's more the land of struggle to get by and hope the rich don't trample you now. Upward mobility is sold but rarely achievable.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  That depends entirely on your own perspective, namely if you're ambitious or wallowing in despair. America is a free country, the country and indeed the world is what you make of it. Nobody ever said living free was easy.
  - trod1234 2y ago
    Immaterial. There are a great number of studies completing that show that opportunities for upward mobility simply are no longer there for the vast majority. David Willets summarized and touched on studies done by the Resolution Foundation, and wrote a book on the subject matter extensively, "The Pinch, How the Baby Boomers Stole their children's future". There's a big difference between living hand to mouth as an individual wage slave, and making enough to be able to support having children, let alone the gross excess of the Zuckerbergs or globalists of the world.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      You're only strengthening my argument. An ambitious man isn't going to care what some "studies" say about how bad and sad and evil the world is. He's just going to do what needs doing and enjoy the fruits of his labors. You're never going to succeed if you let others' negativity beat you into submission. You're literally in the company of people who create and invest in startups. Who cares what bad things others are saying, it's your life.
      - trod1234 2y ago
        There's something to be said about not being blind to the reality of things.
  - cdme 2y ago
    I dunno, a disparity in wealth exceeding that of the gilded age does seem like a significant issue.

Dig1t 2y ago

>pushing (a single) religion in schools What’s the source for this? I have never heard anything about this. The Department of Education has a massive budget that has ballooned to $268B, much of which is wasted on administrative bloat. If education quality is declining and standards are dropping it seems right to reconsider the existence of the department.

cf100clunk 2y ago
> much of which is wasted on administrative bloat What’s the source for this?

andrewmcwatters 2y ago

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p_j_w 2y ago
GP didn't even offer a hint of criticism of the religion itself, only to the insistence that children be indoctrinated to it in public schools. It's curious and kind of telling that Christians view that as a personal attack on them.
cdme 2y ago
Hah. I just don't want it in public schools. Attract people to your church and beliefs, don't use state power to force them on everyone. Thanks.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Public schools being extensions of the government can't teach religion without violating the guarantee to not favor certain religions over others. That being said though, the US is in practice a Christian country first and foremost and that's likely not going to ever change.
- andrewmcwatters 2y ago
  That's a straw man argument unrelated to the article. No need to be smug either, it doesn't help make your case of not being a bigot.

trod1234 2y ago

The decline was inevitable from the get go, centralized systems fall to ruin and when they are unable to self-regulate you need to dissolve and start fresh. There are points of no return in systems, after which cascading problems prevent any future resolution. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3263007/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3263007/