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>The US government likely will favor a large strategic company like OpenAI instead of individual's copyrights Even if we assume this is true, Disney and Netfli

>The US government likely will favor a large strategic company like OpenAI instead of individual's copyrights Even if we assume this is true, Disney and Netflix are both currently worth more than OpenAI and both rely on the strict enforcement of US copyright law. I do not think it is so obvious which powers that be have the better lobbying efforts and, currently, it's looking like this question will mostly be adjudicated by the courts, not Congress, anyways.

bhouston 2y ago
I don't think OpenAI stole from Disney or Netflix. Rather OpenAI stole from individual artists and YouTube and other social media who users do not really have any lobbying power. So I think OpenAI, Disney and Netflix win together. Big companies tend to win.
- mjburgess 2y ago
  > What are the first words of the disney movie, "Aladdin" ? The first words of Disney's Aladdin (1992) are spoken by the *Peddler*, the mysterious merchant at the beginning of the film. He says: "Ah, Salaam and good evening to you, worthy friend. Please, please, come closer..." He then continues with: "Too close! A little too close. There. Welcome to Agrabah. City of mystery, of enchantment, and the finest merchandise this side of the River Jordan, on sale today! Come on down!" This opening sets the stage for the story, introducing the magical and bustling world of Agrabah.
- derektank 2y ago
  Disney owns ABC News; OpenAI almost certainly scraped their text data
  - bhouston 2y ago
    I agree with you.
- worik 2y ago
  > Rather OpenAI stole from individual artists and YouTube and other social media "stole"? They consumed publicly available material on the Internet I am no fan of these billionaire capitalists and their henchpersons but condem them for their multitude of sins. Consuming publicly available Internet resources is not one of them. IMO
  - da_chicken 2y ago
    Being publicly available does not mean that copyright is invalid. Copyright gives the holders the right to restrict USE, not merely restrict reproduction. Adaptation is also an exclusive right of the copyright holder. You're not allowed to make derivative works.
  - visarga 2y ago
    They stole the data just as much as a painter steals the view.
    - rideontime 2y ago
      Who created the view?
      - visarga 2y ago
        The view is created by every spectator.
  - jdswain 2y ago
    It's not that they consumed publicly available material, it's that they re-published that information, and sold it.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    > They consumed publicly available material on the Internet I agree that there are some important distinctions and word-choices to be made here, and that there are problems with equating training to "stealing", and that copyright infringement is not theft, etc. That said, if you zoom out to the overall conduct, it's fair to argue that the companies are doing something unethical, the same as if they paid an army of humans to memorize other people's work and then regurgitate slightly-reworded copies.

bhouston 2y ago

I don't think OpenAI stole from Disney or Netflix. Rather OpenAI stole from individual artists and YouTube and other social media who users do not really have any lobbying power. So I think OpenAI, Disney and Netflix win together. Big companies tend to win.

mjburgess 2y ago
> What are the first words of the disney movie, "Aladdin" ? The first words of Disney's Aladdin (1992) are spoken by the *Peddler*, the mysterious merchant at the beginning of the film. He says: "Ah, Salaam and good evening to you, worthy friend. Please, please, come closer..." He then continues with: "Too close! A little too close. There. Welcome to Agrabah. City of mystery, of enchantment, and the finest merchandise this side of the River Jordan, on sale today! Come on down!" This opening sets the stage for the story, introducing the magical and bustling world of Agrabah.
derektank 2y ago
Disney owns ABC News; OpenAI almost certainly scraped their text data
- bhouston 2y ago
  I agree with you.
worik 2y ago
> Rather OpenAI stole from individual artists and YouTube and other social media "stole"? They consumed publicly available material on the Internet I am no fan of these billionaire capitalists and their henchpersons but condem them for their multitude of sins. Consuming publicly available Internet resources is not one of them. IMO
- da_chicken 2y ago
  Being publicly available does not mean that copyright is invalid. Copyright gives the holders the right to restrict USE, not merely restrict reproduction. Adaptation is also an exclusive right of the copyright holder. You're not allowed to make derivative works.
- visarga 2y ago
  They stole the data just as much as a painter steals the view.
  - rideontime 2y ago
    Who created the view?
    - visarga 2y ago
      The view is created by every spectator.
- jdswain 2y ago
  It's not that they consumed publicly available material, it's that they re-published that information, and sold it.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > They consumed publicly available material on the Internet I agree that there are some important distinctions and word-choices to be made here, and that there are problems with equating training to "stealing", and that copyright infringement is not theft, etc. That said, if you zoom out to the overall conduct, it's fair to argue that the companies are doing something unethical, the same as if they paid an army of humans to memorize other people's work and then regurgitate slightly-reworded copies.