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Or the only difference of those specialized SKUs is a single parameter in the firmware making a different tradeoff for, lets say, random seek vs. sustained sequ

by tjoff 2y ago

Or the only difference of those specialized SKUs is a single parameter in the firmware making a different tradeoff for, lets say, random seek vs. sustained sequential reads/writes. A different cache strategy. Or whatever. Being able to charge $100 more for that is very worthwhile.

PaulHoule 2y ago
I think the "larger NAS" drives have better shock absorption, which is a hardware thing. No matter what, it's a reason why you can't get any large capacity drive at Best Buy. They'd have room for one SKU but can't afford to stock an Amazonian variety of unusual types. I feel the whole industry has gone in a bad direction. My workstation has a modern case that doesn't really have a lot of room in it for HDDs, so I added an external HDD for my sports photographs. I sure as hell don't get the bit about "serious external HDDs have their own power supply" because it is one more thing that can fail (get unplugged) and cause data loss. I'd get warmer and fuzzier feelings if the drive was powered off USB.
- gruez 2y ago
  >No matter what, it's a reason why you can't get any large capacity drive at Best Buy. Is 24TB big enough for you? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-24tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6585399.p?skuId=6585399 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-24tb-external-usb-...
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    Internal, not external. (Sure, people are known to shuck the drive out of the reliability-killing enclosure)
    - jasonjayr 2y ago
      How does the enclosure kill reliability?
      - bombcar 2y ago
        External drives are often designed for a shorter duty cycle and don't dissipate heat as well as they could.
        PaulHoule 2y ago
        I'm mostly concerned about the power cord getting unplugged if, say, somebody is vacuuming around the area. On top of the usual "whole machine gets turned off" failure mode that happens maybe 10-20x a year in my neighborhood because of power loss there is a "machine is turned on but HDD is powered off" case.
        monkpit 2y ago
        Wouldn’t a NAS have the same problem, and wouldn’t a battery backup solve it? Genuinely curious
        PaulHoule 2y ago
        Personally I don't trust a NAS as far as I can throw it, or rather I'd use one the way I use Amazon S3. My home server has a ZFS array, the media server and some other programs access it directly. If I want to move files to or from it I use SFTP. If I want to back files up to it I use rsync. I have Lightroom running pretty good on an external HDD, no way I'd take my chances running it on a NAS.
        loeg 2y ago
        > Personally I don't trust a NAS... > My home server has a ZFS array, the media server and some other programs access it directly. This sure sounds like a NAS.
        sangnoir 2y ago
        An appliance with the primary role of storage, and the ability to share files over the network are the distinguishing features for a NAS. Network support for iSCSI, SMB, NFS makes a NAS; sharing data exclusively over the media protocols (http, rtsp, etc) makes it a media server
- deleted 2y ago
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TiredOfLife 2y ago
IIRC the main difference for WD was how it reacts to errors. Consumer drives will spend minutes to retry rw operations. Surveillance drives will mostly ignore errors as it's more important to have some footage than none. And NAS drives will immediately report the errors.
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  See http://danluu.com/filesystem-errors/ http://danluu.com/filesystem-errors/ you are damned if you do and damned if you don't
linker3000 2y ago
2014-2017 I worked for HGST, just as it was being assimilated by WD. There were definite hardware differences between drive categories back then, and as well as the firmware adjustments, there would be things such as additional accelerometers to detect and help protect against shock (eg: portable drives), higher quality bearings and head/head mechanism differences. But, or course, that was then and I can't speak for now.

by tjoff 2y ago

PaulHoule 2y ago

I think the "larger NAS" drives have better shock absorption, which is a hardware thing. No matter what, it's a reason why you can't get any large capacity drive at Best Buy. They'd have room for one SKU but can't afford to stock an Amazonian variety of unusual types. I feel the whole industry has gone in a bad direction. My workstation has a modern case that doesn't really have a lot of room in it for HDDs, so I added an external HDD for my sports photographs. I sure as hell don't get the bit about "serious external HDDs have their own power supply" because it is one more thing that can fail (get unplugged) and cause data loss. I'd get warmer and fuzzier feelings if the drive was powered off USB.

gruez 2y ago
>No matter what, it's a reason why you can't get any large capacity drive at Best Buy. Is 24TB big enough for you? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-24tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6585399.p?skuId=6585399 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-24tb-external-usb-...
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  Internal, not external. (Sure, people are known to shuck the drive out of the reliability-killing enclosure)
  - jasonjayr 2y ago
    How does the enclosure kill reliability?
    - bombcar 2y ago
      External drives are often designed for a shorter duty cycle and don't dissipate heat as well as they could.
      - PaulHoule 2y ago
        I'm mostly concerned about the power cord getting unplugged if, say, somebody is vacuuming around the area. On top of the usual "whole machine gets turned off" failure mode that happens maybe 10-20x a year in my neighborhood because of power loss there is a "machine is turned on but HDD is powered off" case.
        monkpit 2y ago
        Wouldn’t a NAS have the same problem, and wouldn’t a battery backup solve it? Genuinely curious
        PaulHoule 2y ago
        Personally I don't trust a NAS as far as I can throw it, or rather I'd use one the way I use Amazon S3. My home server has a ZFS array, the media server and some other programs access it directly. If I want to move files to or from it I use SFTP. If I want to back files up to it I use rsync. I have Lightroom running pretty good on an external HDD, no way I'd take my chances running it on a NAS.
        loeg 2y ago
        > Personally I don't trust a NAS... > My home server has a ZFS array, the media server and some other programs access it directly. This sure sounds like a NAS.
        sangnoir 2y ago
        An appliance with the primary role of storage, and the ability to share files over the network are the distinguishing features for a NAS. Network support for iSCSI, SMB, NFS makes a NAS; sharing data exclusively over the media protocols (http, rtsp, etc) makes it a media server
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TiredOfLife 2y ago

IIRC the main difference for WD was how it reacts to errors. Consumer drives will spend minutes to retry rw operations. Surveillance drives will mostly ignore errors as it's more important to have some footage than none. And NAS drives will immediately report the errors.

PaulHoule 2y ago
See http://danluu.com/filesystem-errors/ http://danluu.com/filesystem-errors/ you are damned if you do and damned if you don't

linker3000 2y ago

2014-2017 I worked for HGST, just as it was being assimilated by WD. There were definite hardware differences between drive categories back then, and as well as the firmware adjustments, there would be things such as additional accelerometers to detect and help protect against shock (eg: portable drives), higher quality bearings and head/head mechanism differences. But, or course, that was then and I can't speak for now.