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Even though he’s right, Rob Bonta is going to get himself fired, while Scott Wiener will write a bill legalizing training on non expressly licensed data.
by doctorpangloss 2y ago
Even though he’s right, Rob Bonta is going to get himself fired, while Scott Wiener will write a bill legalizing training on non expressly licensed data.
- mschuster91 2y agoFun fact: Germany's IP law has a provision that allows AI training by default for everything that's reachable on the Internet, if the website operator hasn't published a "nope" in machine-readable form (i.e. robots.txt). [1] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__44b.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__44b.html
- NullPrefix 2y agoSo to legally copy a website, all you need is to just pass it through an AI filter and then you can legally publish the rip off?
- portaouflop 2y agoNo - data mining copyrighted material and republishing copyrighted material under your own name are two very different things
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y agoPassing data through an AI filter for "training" is a different thing (legally and ethically) from publishing the output.
- portaouflop 2y agoIf you read the law it says it’s only allowed if the rights holder doesn’t disallow it (in machine readable form) - I would argue robots.txt falls under machine readable
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago>will write a bill legalizing training on non expressly licensed data. Which should be assumed to be legal already, even without the expressly written bill. Copyright maximalism is anti-human.
- darth_avocado 2y agoStealing is more anti human.
- renewiltord 2y agoSurprisingly when it comes to software, music, and movie stealing we find that stealing requires one party to lose something but when it comes to OpenAI stealing is happily colloquially defined. What an interesting curiosity.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y agoWhen I steal a thing from you, you no longer have the thing. When I steal a dance you just invented, you're very butthurt about it and run crying to mommy "make him stop copying me!". Then you grow up and bribe Congress to make it illegal. Except for the "growing up" part, that never happened.
- thot_experiment 2y agoThis is the way. We need to restrict IP protection, especially temporally.
- account42 2y agoExpecting megacorporations to play by the same rules they want us to follow when in comes to their rights is pretty far from copyright maximalism. Anti-human is giving corporations more rights than humans.
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- jprete 2y agoI don't think the memo mentions training data sources; it's about usage and impact.
- bragr 2y ago>Rob Bonta is going to get himself fired The Attorney General of California is an elected position. He could be recalled but not fired by the Governor.
- rpmisms 2y agoA recall is firing.
- bragr 2y agoSort of? But it is very different to the federal cabinet where they serve at the pleasure of the president. The recall process is slow, expensive, and rarely successful. >Since 1913, there have been 181 recall attempts of state elected officials in California. Eleven recall efforts collected enough signatures to qualify for the ballot and of those, the elected official was recalled in six instances. https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall-history-california-1913-present https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall-history-cali...
- mikestew 2y agoBut a firing by the electorate, not a firing by the governor of CA.
- rpmisms 2y agoSure, but it's still getting fired. Also, the governor can support the recall (And Gavin should).
- rsynnott 2y agoI'm not sure how... likely that is? Like, is the California electorate particularly enamoured of the LLM-flogging mega-corps, such that they would do their bidding in this way? Like, if the reasoning is "we should recall them because they were mean to the lovely companies :(" then I'd expect the average person to say, broadly, "good" and vote against recall. 'AI' is not particularly popular with the public.
- jimbob45 2y agoHe co-authored Senate Bill 239, which lowered the penalty of exposing someone to HIV without their knowledge and consent from a felony to a misdemeanor That Scott Wiener? How does he still have a job?
- plorkyeran 2y agoEveryone qualified to speak on such things was pretty universally in agreement that the previous law was increasing the spread of HIV rather than decreasing it, as the primary effect it had was that sex workers would refuse to get tested.
- prpl 2y agoHe’s more likely to get rounded up with Sheng Thao, Andre Jones, Bryan Azevedo, and his wife, Mia Bonta.