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When looking at a system, it is appropriate to identify the causes (plural) and the intervention points (plural). I believe it is at once possible to both blam

When looking at a system, it is appropriate to identify the causes (plural) and the intervention points (plural). I believe it is at once possible to both blame or seek to change an extrinsic factor and do what one can with their own initiative. I do not think it is appropriate to dismiss extrinsic factors in order to emphasize personal initiative.

Aurornis 2y ago
Multiple factors contribute, but they don’t lessen the impact of people’s choices. We can list extrinsic factors that influence things for hours, but nothing changes the fact that using your phone for hours per day is a choice that people make. The external factors are brought up as a way to distract from that choice or shift blame, but you can’t make progress until you realize that it’s your choice to pick up the phone and use that app for hours every day.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  If you assume that free will exists. I'm personally not convinced either way.
  - cvwright 2y ago
    You have free will to do what you want to do. You do not have the ability to stop being you, the person who wants the things that you want. Even if you want to change yourself - and maybe succeed! - that desire for change is still part of being you. If you didn’t want it, you would have been someone else.
  - Aurornis 2y ago
    Imagining that nothing is your fault is a nice way to avoid any uncomfortable feelings of accountability. Unfortunately, your family, friends, and bosses aren’t going to be convinced when you try to explain that nothing is actually your fault.
  - svieira 2y ago
    If free will doesn't exist then why are we talking about changing the environment? It's not like we can _choose_ to do so, after all.
- jimkleiber 2y ago
  I think so many choices are driven by emotions and so many of us are unaware of how we feel and therefore often blinded to the decision-making process. Yes it's a choice to pick up the phone, and yet if someone is feeling an emotion and wants to escape that emotion, the phone offers a variety of other emotions they can access. I'd say quite addictive, unless people let themselves feel the feeling.
- im3w1l 2y ago
  If you want to solve the problem I look too much at my phone then choosing differently is an appropriate solution. If you want to solve the problem people in general look too much at their phone then telling them to "just do better" is an inappropriate solution.
- arthurofbabylon 2y ago
  When it’s only me, I personally prefer just solving the problem by adjusting my behavior or adjusting my position within the system. It’s relatively easy, feedback is quick, improvements come readily. Great. But when it is an entire system (eg, not just me) I like to look at the gravity. In what direction will a ball roll? By default, what occurs here? Take my home for example. I’m skillful at being calm and joyous, but I have guests come over, so I need to make sure that my home fosters a calm and joyous mindset by default. I need to make the gravity of the space produce joy and calm without intervention. After all, might I one day lack agency or otherwise be vulnerable to preexisting environmental forces? We each have a duty to be healthy. Personal intervention — check! I agree. But that is not enough, we cannot stop there, and stopping there is irresponsible, unkind to others in the short term, and dangerous in the long term.

Aurornis 2y ago

Multiple factors contribute, but they don’t lessen the impact of people’s choices. We can list extrinsic factors that influence things for hours, but nothing changes the fact that using your phone for hours per day is a choice that people make. The external factors are brought up as a way to distract from that choice or shift blame, but you can’t make progress until you realize that it’s your choice to pick up the phone and use that app for hours every day.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
If you assume that free will exists. I'm personally not convinced either way.
- cvwright 2y ago
  You have free will to do what you want to do. You do not have the ability to stop being you, the person who wants the things that you want. Even if you want to change yourself - and maybe succeed! - that desire for change is still part of being you. If you didn’t want it, you would have been someone else.
- Aurornis 2y ago
  Imagining that nothing is your fault is a nice way to avoid any uncomfortable feelings of accountability. Unfortunately, your family, friends, and bosses aren’t going to be convinced when you try to explain that nothing is actually your fault.
- svieira 2y ago
  If free will doesn't exist then why are we talking about changing the environment? It's not like we can _choose_ to do so, after all.
jimkleiber 2y ago
I think so many choices are driven by emotions and so many of us are unaware of how we feel and therefore often blinded to the decision-making process. Yes it's a choice to pick up the phone, and yet if someone is feeling an emotion and wants to escape that emotion, the phone offers a variety of other emotions they can access. I'd say quite addictive, unless people let themselves feel the feeling.
im3w1l 2y ago
If you want to solve the problem I look too much at my phone then choosing differently is an appropriate solution. If you want to solve the problem people in general look too much at their phone then telling them to "just do better" is an inappropriate solution.
arthurofbabylon 2y ago
When it’s only me, I personally prefer just solving the problem by adjusting my behavior or adjusting my position within the system. It’s relatively easy, feedback is quick, improvements come readily. Great. But when it is an entire system (eg, not just me) I like to look at the gravity. In what direction will a ball roll? By default, what occurs here? Take my home for example. I’m skillful at being calm and joyous, but I have guests come over, so I need to make sure that my home fosters a calm and joyous mindset by default. I need to make the gravity of the space produce joy and calm without intervention. After all, might I one day lack agency or otherwise be vulnerable to preexisting environmental forces? We each have a duty to be healthy. Personal intervention — check! I agree. But that is not enough, we cannot stop there, and stopping there is irresponsible, unkind to others in the short term, and dangerous in the long term.