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Time dilation means that the closer you get to the speed of light the less time you experience passing. So even a 12000 year long journey as seen from earth, if

Time dilation means that the closer you get to the speed of light the less time you experience passing. So even a 12000 year long journey as seen from earth, if moving fast enough, could feel to the travelers like a much shorter amount of time.

dustingetz 2y ago
and in that 10,000 year blink, a civilization progresses from bronze metalworking to digital computers, awaiting our arrival
galangalalgol 2y ago
And we don't have to send people, we should do our job as a Von Neumann probe and send frozen rna to distribute across the surface.
- idlewords 2y ago
  In space culture this is widely considered a dick move.
stevenwoo 2y ago
Yes, but practically with todays technology there is no feasible way of getting to a speed where time dilation matters over that distance, we run out of fuel so we need some external power source like a laser or solar wind that have other issues, iirc one only gets to 2x time dilation at 0.9 c. That’s a lot of acceleration.
- nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago
  We need to think about where we want the knowledge and what knows it. We could use humanoid AIs. We could hatch humans "just in time". Run them in a sim to 18 then release them on their mission. Ethics would need to accept this. Maybe we would be happy slowly expanding across the universe and an decendant talking to 'the aliens'. I am not totally serious. But you wanna meet aliens? Gotta do something a bit radical.
  - stevenwoo 2y ago
    If you haven't, you should read Accelerando, it's a collection of short stories IIRC that were put into a novel by the author. I didn't want to start with that, but that is in there. :)
    - kaashif 2y ago
      I'm reading Accelerando right now and there's some unnecessary weird sex stuff at the start. Good book despite that though, some very interesting ideas.
    - dmd 2y ago
      My one-sentence review of Accelerando is "VASTLY better than the first couple chapters will make you believe."
    - mad0 2y ago
      If I may suggest another read: Perfect Imperfection by Polish author Jacek Dukaj. It's definitely weirder, than Accelerando, as the book drops you straight into the last parts of evolution curve, but definitely worth reading if you have liked Accelerando. The story is super weird, but what I found out is that piecing together a picture of a far-future society from this story was very exciting.
- rocqua 2y ago
  I imagine fuel isn't that big a problem until you care about being able to decelerate once you arrive.

dustingetz 2y ago

and in that 10,000 year blink, a civilization progresses from bronze metalworking to digital computers, awaiting our arrival

galangalalgol 2y ago

And we don't have to send people, we should do our job as a Von Neumann probe and send frozen rna to distribute across the surface.

idlewords 2y ago
In space culture this is widely considered a dick move.

stevenwoo 2y ago

Yes, but practically with todays technology there is no feasible way of getting to a speed where time dilation matters over that distance, we run out of fuel so we need some external power source like a laser or solar wind that have other issues, iirc one only gets to 2x time dilation at 0.9 c. That’s a lot of acceleration.

nejsjsjsbsb 2y ago
We need to think about where we want the knowledge and what knows it. We could use humanoid AIs. We could hatch humans "just in time". Run them in a sim to 18 then release them on their mission. Ethics would need to accept this. Maybe we would be happy slowly expanding across the universe and an decendant talking to 'the aliens'. I am not totally serious. But you wanna meet aliens? Gotta do something a bit radical.
- stevenwoo 2y ago
  If you haven't, you should read Accelerando, it's a collection of short stories IIRC that were put into a novel by the author. I didn't want to start with that, but that is in there. :)
  - kaashif 2y ago
    I'm reading Accelerando right now and there's some unnecessary weird sex stuff at the start. Good book despite that though, some very interesting ideas.
  - dmd 2y ago
    My one-sentence review of Accelerando is "VASTLY better than the first couple chapters will make you believe."
  - mad0 2y ago
    If I may suggest another read: Perfect Imperfection by Polish author Jacek Dukaj. It's definitely weirder, than Accelerando, as the book drops you straight into the last parts of evolution curve, but definitely worth reading if you have liked Accelerando. The story is super weird, but what I found out is that piecing together a picture of a far-future society from this story was very exciting.
rocqua 2y ago
I imagine fuel isn't that big a problem until you care about being able to decelerate once you arrive.