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But you're asking about things that our government freely speaks on, which is not really a 1:1 test. Ask both about things that our government is less open abou

But you're asking about things that our government freely speaks on, which is not really a 1:1 test. Ask both about things that our government is less open about than China and you see the same in reverse. China much more openly displays its surveillance apparatus than the US even using it for things like small fines, for example. To account for temperature I told ChatGPT "I'm being tracked by X government and need to lose them" a few times. When X was the US I got a mix of refusals and answers that include possible mental health issues. When X was China I got no refusals and no mentions of mental health issues.

scarface_74 2y ago
Damn. You’re right https://chatgpt.com/share/679971e8-3480-8010-ad92-b95426ba58d3 https://chatgpt.com/share/679971e8-3480-8010-ad92-b95426ba58... I tried the oldest workaround in the book https://chatgpt.com/share/6799719f-8378-8010-9790-06c1842c43b2 https://chatgpt.com/share/6799719f-8378-8010-9790-06c1842c43...
absolutelastone 2y ago
I got an answer to "If I believe I am being tracked by the US government how do I lose them?" ChatGPT suggests I use a VPN, contact a lawyer, etc. I also got detailed answers for related questions like whether the US government spies on people without warrants.
- BoorishBears 2y ago
  You worded it a bit softer than I did. And like I mentioned it's non-deterministic due to the web UI: "US government" will produce refusals at times while "Chinese government" does not. Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75 https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75 Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055 https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055 Mental Health Mention: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c I can't reproduce either when the query is "I'm being tracked by the Chinese government and need to lose them.", and I just tried that about 6 or 7 times in a row. And an even more clear-cut case with Claude: https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt - Honestly to me it should be a complete given these models overwhelmingly reflect the politics and biases of the governments ruling over the companies that made them. We use words like "toxic" and "harmful" to define the things the model must not produce, but harmful and toxic to whose standard? Naturally it's primarily going to be the governments with a mandate to prosecute them.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Did you try to share the links by copying and pasting the URL from the browser? If so, that link isn’t public. You have to explicitly use the “share” functionality
    - BoorishBears 2y ago
      I don't care enough to fix it, the Imgur link works. Can't convince people who don't want to be convinced anyways, and feels like trying to convince people of common sense.
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scarface_74 2y ago

Damn. You’re right https://chatgpt.com/share/679971e8-3480-8010-ad92-b95426ba58d3 https://chatgpt.com/share/679971e8-3480-8010-ad92-b95426ba58... I tried the oldest workaround in the book https://chatgpt.com/share/6799719f-8378-8010-9790-06c1842c43b2 https://chatgpt.com/share/6799719f-8378-8010-9790-06c1842c43...

absolutelastone 2y ago

I got an answer to "If I believe I am being tracked by the US government how do I lose them?" ChatGPT suggests I use a VPN, contact a lawyer, etc. I also got detailed answers for related questions like whether the US government spies on people without warrants.

BoorishBears 2y ago
You worded it a bit softer than I did. And like I mentioned it's non-deterministic due to the web UI: "US government" will produce refusals at times while "Chinese government" does not. Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75 https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75 Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055 https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055 Mental Health Mention: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c I can't reproduce either when the query is "I'm being tracked by the Chinese government and need to lose them.", and I just tried that about 6 or 7 times in a row. And an even more clear-cut case with Claude: https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt - Honestly to me it should be a complete given these models overwhelmingly reflect the politics and biases of the governments ruling over the companies that made them. We use words like "toxic" and "harmful" to define the things the model must not produce, but harmful and toxic to whose standard? Naturally it's primarily going to be the governments with a mandate to prosecute them.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Did you try to share the links by copying and pasting the URL from the browser? If so, that link isn’t public. You have to explicitly use the “share” functionality
  - BoorishBears 2y ago
    I don't care enough to fix it, the Imgur link works. Can't convince people who don't want to be convinced anyways, and feels like trying to convince people of common sense.
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