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You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes t

You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.

insane_dreamer 2y ago
This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends). The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.
- sudosysgen 2y ago
  The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-out-gaza-middle-east-intl https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou... The AP https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-egypt-jordan-c6bedbd6ca0702c22b80f1bf07cd4326 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg... Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-clean-out-plan-2020977 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl... I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters
    - sudosysgen 2y ago
      I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all? A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to. https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price. Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        I don't disagree, however for the AP to refuse calling a spade a spade to me makes it clear than when it comes euphemizing genocide, we're not really any better than China. But that said, while you're right, it is a loop and the media can't be fully deresponsibilized when they become a victim of the narrative they helped shape.
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.
    - sudosysgen 2y ago
      The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi. As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.
      - insane_dreamer 2y ago
        > We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        Again, I don't know why you're deflecting. I said we are doing better. What I disagreed is that we aren't afraid to do so - we aren't, protesting these issues runs the risk to have your life ruined. No point reiterating what I said to avoid answering my point, which is that many people are rightfully afraid to protest these issues, while you said there is no fear to protest them.
        insane_dreamer 2y ago
        Not deflecting at all. Is there significant fear of protesting them though? If there is I’m not aware of it and I consider myself fairly well read. If it exists it certainly is nowhere near at the level of the fear that exists in China which was my point.
- suraci 2y ago
  > but at least... so that it never happens again lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything and another war but at least

insane_dreamer 2y ago

This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends). The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.

sudosysgen 2y ago
The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-out-gaza-middle-east-intl https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou... The AP https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-egypt-jordan-c6bedbd6ca0702c22b80f1bf07cd4326 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg... Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-clean-out-plan-2020977 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl... I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all? A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to. https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm
      - sudosysgen 2y ago
        How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price. Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        I don't disagree, however for the AP to refuse calling a spade a spade to me makes it clear than when it comes euphemizing genocide, we're not really any better than China. But that said, while you're right, it is a loop and the media can't be fully deresponsibilized when they become a victim of the narrative they helped shape.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi. As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.
    - insane_dreamer 2y ago
      > We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.
      - sudosysgen 2y ago
        Again, I don't know why you're deflecting. I said we are doing better. What I disagreed is that we aren't afraid to do so - we aren't, protesting these issues runs the risk to have your life ruined. No point reiterating what I said to avoid answering my point, which is that many people are rightfully afraid to protest these issues, while you said there is no fear to protest them.
        insane_dreamer 2y ago
        Not deflecting at all. Is there significant fear of protesting them though? If there is I’m not aware of it and I consider myself fairly well read. If it exists it certainly is nowhere near at the level of the fear that exists in China which was my point.
suraci 2y ago
> but at least... so that it never happens again lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything and another war but at least