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And replace it with.... Email is a neutral protocol, in a natural monopoly, very hard to replace unless you want to choose a state sanctioned monopoly like you

And replace it with.... Email is a neutral protocol, in a natural monopoly, very hard to replace unless you want to choose a state sanctioned monopoly like you would to Facebook's Whatsapp or Apple's messenger. This sounds like fatalistic throwing the baby with the bath water, I know that there's a fine line between operator's error and bad system design, but when a piece of technology has been stable for 40 years, and there is a fuck up, you can't reaally blame it on the tech. If there's really sensitive info like informants or HIV patients, maybe implement some serious access controls so that not even operators have access to that sensitive info.

edent 2y ago
> when a piece of technology has been stable for 40 years, and there is a fuck up, you can't reaally blame it on the tech. After 40 years of the same fuck up - what should you blame?
- im3w1l 2y ago
  Maybe deciding who should have access to what information is just an intrinsic difficulty of the problem space? In this day and age, maybe you could have an LLM read the email and ask for confirmation for CC.
  - TZubiri 2y ago
    >control who gets that information With you so far yes >giving read access to an cloud llm We are doomed
- drivingmenuts 2y ago
  People who don't learn how to use the tools that are an intrinsic part of their job?
  - weikju 2y ago
    > People who don't learn how to use the tools that are an intrinsic part of their job? EXACTLY! The amount of times I run into people who aren't willing to even put 1 iota of effort into learning tools they use daily... astounds me.
Spivak 2y ago
You replace it with literally any chat application made in the last 30 years. Hell even Microsoft Lync didn't have this problem. You don't even have to replace the email system behind the curtain, just make it work like group chats. People seem to get "start a group chat" vs "send a message to each person individually." Why we even still bother with the letters and mailboxes metaphor is beyond me. It implies a level of ceremony that just isn't needed anymore. Just send the file, what does "attaching" mean in the digital age?
- TZubiri 2y ago
  >replace it with literally any chat application made in the last 30 years. Hell even Microsoft Lync didn't have this problem. Ah yes, let me just ask 1000 people to install microsoft lync before they can see my message
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- TZubiri 2y ago
  >"Why we even still bother with the letters and mailboxes metaphor is beyond me" Well for one it enables us to apply a whole lot of law and case law without reinventing the wheel. Mail contents enjoy a lot of privacy privileges, while headers do not as they are used for routing purposes. >Just send the file, what does "attaching" Ah yes just send the file, how didn't we think of this sooner, you must publish your findings with the engineering community, pronto open an rfc
  - Spivak 2y ago
    No need to be snarky, this is a UI issue. In any chat application you open the chat with your desired recipient(s) and send the file. And it works, you don't have to write a message and then attach the file to it. You also don't have to think about the difference between attaching an image and having an image in the message. It's unnecessary ceremony on the part of the user, you would never invent it again.

edent 2y ago

> when a piece of technology has been stable for 40 years, and there is a fuck up, you can't reaally blame it on the tech. After 40 years of the same fuck up - what should you blame?

im3w1l 2y ago
Maybe deciding who should have access to what information is just an intrinsic difficulty of the problem space? In this day and age, maybe you could have an LLM read the email and ask for confirmation for CC.
- TZubiri 2y ago
  >control who gets that information With you so far yes >giving read access to an cloud llm We are doomed
drivingmenuts 2y ago
People who don't learn how to use the tools that are an intrinsic part of their job?
- weikju 2y ago
  > People who don't learn how to use the tools that are an intrinsic part of their job? EXACTLY! The amount of times I run into people who aren't willing to even put 1 iota of effort into learning tools they use daily... astounds me.

Spivak 2y ago

You replace it with literally any chat application made in the last 30 years. Hell even Microsoft Lync didn't have this problem. You don't even have to replace the email system behind the curtain, just make it work like group chats. People seem to get "start a group chat" vs "send a message to each person individually." Why we even still bother with the letters and mailboxes metaphor is beyond me. It implies a level of ceremony that just isn't needed anymore. Just send the file, what does "attaching" mean in the digital age?

TZubiri 2y ago
>replace it with literally any chat application made in the last 30 years. Hell even Microsoft Lync didn't have this problem. Ah yes, let me just ask 1000 people to install microsoft lync before they can see my message
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TZubiri 2y ago
>"Why we even still bother with the letters and mailboxes metaphor is beyond me" Well for one it enables us to apply a whole lot of law and case law without reinventing the wheel. Mail contents enjoy a lot of privacy privileges, while headers do not as they are used for routing purposes. >Just send the file, what does "attaching" Ah yes just send the file, how didn't we think of this sooner, you must publish your findings with the engineering community, pronto open an rfc
- Spivak 2y ago
  No need to be snarky, this is a UI issue. In any chat application you open the chat with your desired recipient(s) and send the file. And it works, you don't have to write a message and then attach the file to it. You also don't have to think about the difference between attaching an image and having an image in the message. It's unnecessary ceremony on the part of the user, you would never invent it again.