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This idea is kind of alluring. But you can't really include discussions on your page that might be happening all over the Internet. Reddit etc. This is wher

This idea is kind of alluring. But you can't really include discussions on your page that might be happening all over the Internet. Reddit etc. This is where the browser should really be smart enough to do a search engine lookup, and propose smart links alongside the page you're reading. Or even summarise and merge discussions found elsewhere.

personlurking 14y ago
I'm going off topic a little but... An element I really like from random blog posts I've seen off of HN is using the sidebars for additional, short commentary/details. Your comment reminded me of that, but sadly this might not work well if an article were all chopped up with tons of commentary (I'm thinking of used books where 'important' parts are highlighted and comments put beside them by a random reader, which I dislike). Well, then again, perhaps for people who like to dive into subjects and really digest an article, there could be a straight text version and a feature to see it marked up w/ smart commentary. This also reminds me of a small 'movement' a year or two ago for citing in-article links at the bottom instead of linking to them throughout the article itself.
- progrock 14y ago
  Does it really matter where the links are listed - in the article or at the end? Opera has a side panel, one of which is the Links panel. That pulls links out of the page and lists them alongside. But this alone isn't that much use. The browser however could do something more interesting with them. I think a lot of pages seem dreadfully wasteful by placing in the same old accessory content on their pages. Buttonitis etc. I don't think this necessarily should live 'inside' the 'page' at all. The content should remain dumb. The inbound links, and chat around the content augments it. And this could be summised somehow by browser tools / other services. I understand the author's want for embedding HN comments on a page. There's a simple and elegant solution to the problem. Simply open up another browser window/tab and point it to the relevant HN comment page. To do so, the author could include a simple link in the page, leave it to the browser to infer, or just let the user discover it for themselves (pointers do help though.) Why the obsession of stuffing our pages with content? It also feels a little snooty doing something like this (embedding HN comments on your page that is.)
- progrock 14y ago
  > but sadly this might not work well if an article were all chopped up with tons of commentary I think this should be left to the domain of the browser. Create a tool for filtering and showing certain aspects.

personlurking 14y ago

I'm going off topic a little but... An element I really like from random blog posts I've seen off of HN is using the sidebars for additional, short commentary/details. Your comment reminded me of that, but sadly this might not work well if an article were all chopped up with tons of commentary (I'm thinking of used books where 'important' parts are highlighted and comments put beside them by a random reader, which I dislike). Well, then again, perhaps for people who like to dive into subjects and really digest an article, there could be a straight text version and a feature to see it marked up w/ smart commentary. This also reminds me of a small 'movement' a year or two ago for citing in-article links at the bottom instead of linking to them throughout the article itself.

progrock 14y ago
Does it really matter where the links are listed - in the article or at the end? Opera has a side panel, one of which is the Links panel. That pulls links out of the page and lists them alongside. But this alone isn't that much use. The browser however could do something more interesting with them. I think a lot of pages seem dreadfully wasteful by placing in the same old accessory content on their pages. Buttonitis etc. I don't think this necessarily should live 'inside' the 'page' at all. The content should remain dumb. The inbound links, and chat around the content augments it. And this could be summised somehow by browser tools / other services. I understand the author's want for embedding HN comments on a page. There's a simple and elegant solution to the problem. Simply open up another browser window/tab and point it to the relevant HN comment page. To do so, the author could include a simple link in the page, leave it to the browser to infer, or just let the user discover it for themselves (pointers do help though.) Why the obsession of stuffing our pages with content? It also feels a little snooty doing something like this (embedding HN comments on your page that is.)
progrock 14y ago
> but sadly this might not work well if an article were all chopped up with tons of commentary I think this should be left to the domain of the browser. Create a tool for filtering and showing certain aspects.