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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smokin

by bko 2y ago

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? At least bottomless brunch is reserved for the weekend.

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skyyler 2y ago
>What does this guy's day look like? There are a number of people that work while you sleep. When I worked midnight shifts, 7am was my 6pm, if that makes sense.
kyleblarson 2y ago
It would be ill advised to try smoking weed in public in Osaka.
lotsofpulp 2y ago
I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.
- bko 2y ago
  > I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others I think driving while high is dangerous and inexplicably very accepted in society. But my comment wasn't "they're hurting someone by choosing to smoke weed". It's more I feel bad that they're inebriated for much of their day and for me that's kind of sad. I've known pot-heads before and they're not exactly living their best lives and are often dependent on a substance to make it through the day.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    Driving while high on anything is already illegal. Just like driving while distracted, but using mobile phones while driving is far more accepted than any other dangerous activity.
  - dole 2y ago
    Coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, weed, Wellbutrin, Xanax... with all things, people metabolize and tolerate all types of substances differently to help us make it through the day.
- nytesky 2y ago
  I’m pretty sure anyone high cannabis is a danger to others while driving? The smell of weed does not air out — every taxi I get into stinks of it constantly. Not only that, it has a much greater range - I usually saw a cigarette smoker but I can smell weed on the street and not see them at all. And my car air filter kept out cigarette odor when on recirculate, but some how weed gets through and I have to close and turn the whole system off to have any hope of not stinking up my car. The number of people smoking weed while driving is honestly scary I hope Osaka’s approach spreads
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    It goes without saying that being high on anything while driving is dangerous to others. Although, in my experience, people high on cannabis just drive dangerously slow. This differs from drugs like alcohol, which inherently increase people’s propensity to be a danger to others. I guess we have had different experiences with the smell of cannabis, but back from when I worked in a hotel, the protocol for when a person smoked cannabis in a room was to just leave the window and door open for 15 minutes, and no one would be the wiser after that. Whereas, if someone smoked cigarettes in the room, the cleaning process was far more costly.
Ensorceled 2y ago
> Not that one is better than the other per-se. Smoking weed is CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY better than smoking tobacco by being less addictive and MUCH less likely to cause various cancers.
- jim180 2y ago
  I wonder, if one smoked one joint per hour (like tobacco) for 30 years, what the end game would be?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    But no one does that.
- op00to 2y ago
  Smoking is still bad, weed or tobacco or crack or whatever. I think cannabis is plenty addictive.
- lolinder 2y ago
  Yes, but too often people hear that and sub in "harmless", which it's absolutely not. "Better than tobacco" is one of the easiest bars for any drug to clear, and weed is not by any stretch of the imagination harmless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaI0ZeAf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaI0ZeAf8
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    Nothing is really completely harmless if you think about it - but I agree that weed is more dangerous than it’s made out to be often. I think the same applies to every socially accepted drug, such as coffee, alcohol, ibuprofen etc
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Yeah, "nothing is really completely harmless" is used to justify all kinds of harm. Nothing is completely harmless, but some things are more harmful than others, and at least with adolescents weed isn't even in the same ballpark as coffee or ibuprofen.
portaouflop 2y ago
I think the same when I see people chugging a fat black coffee the moment they wake up. I wouldn’t be able to focus at all, constant jitters - how can these people all work effectively while being strung out on caffeine? The answer is it’s all about tolerance and what drugs are social acceptable. The guy who smokes all day just gets back to baseline with his first joint in the day, he’s not actually high as you would be if you did that - same as with the caffeine addicts. I think in a free society everyone should be able to put in their body what they believe is good for them - it’s a bit more complicated in real life but still…
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  If someone drinks coffee in public, nobody around them gets "passive coffee drinking", in order to be a public nuisance like smokers.
  - nindalf 2y ago
    Just so we're clear, you're talking about weed smokers like the GP? You've gotten passively stoned?
    - portaouflop 2y ago
      It’s hard to do but if you would be in a locked room with a bunch of lit joints going around you probably can get moderately passively stoned.
      - skyyler 2y ago
        That's a bit different than the public nuisance claims. I suppose you'd want to avoid a cannabis sauna if you want to avoid getting passively stoned.
        portaouflop 2y ago
        Yea I wrote it more to illustrate that the “getting passively stoned from smoke on the street” argument is kinda ridiculous
asoneth 2y ago
> You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed Interesting, this has not been my experience. Certainly smoking weed is much more accepted than it used to be and cigarettes are less accepted than they used to be, but it seems like they've both ended up in a similar category. A non-smoker walking down the sidewalk might stay further away from someone smoking weed but I'm not sure it's a value judgement so much as the fact that the skunky smell seems to travel further. Though besides giving them a wide berth and maybe causing people to scrunch up their nose, I've never seen anyone get harassed for either unless they're in a nonsmoking area or a playground or something and in that case I haven't noticed any difference in people's response.
high_na_euv 2y ago
>You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. I think it may be just your bubble Ive never saw someone casually smoking weed on streets
- shermantanktop 2y ago
  Just saw someone smoking weed using a beer can as a pipe, waiting for the bus, at 11am. This was in Seattle. It’s common here. And the smell, it lingers and wafts down the block, ugh.
- ses1984 2y ago
  If you walk around busy areas of Manhattan (or any sufficiently busy metro area where weed is legal (and even some where it’s not)) you will smell weed at any time of day. It’s the first thing my coworkers remarked on when they visited our ny offices from out of the country.
dingnuts 2y ago
> But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. This isn't even socially accepted among stoners who smoke every day once you're old enough to have a job. Not sure who you are hanging out with but people who are high all day every day are one of two things: 1 addicts, and considered so even by stoners, who have crazy tolerance and like alcoholics can function under the influence better than non addicts or 2 they have a terrible painful disease like ankylosing spondylitis and the only effect of the cannabis is a slight reduction in pain because when your spine is pinched you don't get as much of the euphoria and whatnot from pot Hope that clears it up
whateveracct 2y ago
> someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? You realize the high from a joint only last a couple hours, right? He could go out to breakfast (always a fun high activity), people watch a bit (again), and then go for a walk in the park or listen to some music or whatever. And then spend the rest of the day sober. Could even go into the office fine lol. Or keep smoking weed (that's okay too).
dec0dedab0de 2y ago
But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? Chemicals affect people differently. There are some high energy, high anxiety people who can be very productive on all kinds of substances that would make me useless all day. That said, there are also a ton of stoners just doing nothing all day. I get it though, when I was a teenager working at bestbuy I got high just to make it through the day. Now that I have to think at work it is unimaginable. It really is strange how having a beer with breakfast is somehow worse societally than smoking a joint. I think we’re going to see pushback against cannabis abuse in the next few decades. Hopefully after it’s fully legal.
elpocko 2y ago
>What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? It's a matter of experience and tolerance. A heavy weed smoker doesn't get "high" in the same way as someone who only smokes on occasion. You get a buzz, a slight alteration of your inner state, but there is no huge impairment. For some people, especially those who work intellectually and creatively, it's quite the opposite actually.
ubermonkey 2y ago
>But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. Not everyone works a business day. 7AM on a weekday may be a day off, or may be someone on 3rd shift coming home and unwinding. Weed is also not really like booze. There are no end of jobs where being a little high is probably a net positive.
anal_reactor 2y ago
I think the problem is that at some point cigarette smokers started terrorizing the rest of the society, assuming that every space is smoking space. This doesn't really happen with weed, at least not to same extent

by bko 2y ago

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skyyler 2y ago

>What does this guy's day look like? There are a number of people that work while you sleep. When I worked midnight shifts, 7am was my 6pm, if that makes sense.

kyleblarson 2y ago

It would be ill advised to try smoking weed in public in Osaka.

lotsofpulp 2y ago

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

bko 2y ago
> I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others I think driving while high is dangerous and inexplicably very accepted in society. But my comment wasn't "they're hurting someone by choosing to smoke weed". It's more I feel bad that they're inebriated for much of their day and for me that's kind of sad. I've known pot-heads before and they're not exactly living their best lives and are often dependent on a substance to make it through the day.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  Driving while high on anything is already illegal. Just like driving while distracted, but using mobile phones while driving is far more accepted than any other dangerous activity.
- dole 2y ago
  Coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, weed, Wellbutrin, Xanax... with all things, people metabolize and tolerate all types of substances differently to help us make it through the day.
nytesky 2y ago
I’m pretty sure anyone high cannabis is a danger to others while driving? The smell of weed does not air out — every taxi I get into stinks of it constantly. Not only that, it has a much greater range - I usually saw a cigarette smoker but I can smell weed on the street and not see them at all. And my car air filter kept out cigarette odor when on recirculate, but some how weed gets through and I have to close and turn the whole system off to have any hope of not stinking up my car. The number of people smoking weed while driving is honestly scary I hope Osaka’s approach spreads
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  It goes without saying that being high on anything while driving is dangerous to others. Although, in my experience, people high on cannabis just drive dangerously slow. This differs from drugs like alcohol, which inherently increase people’s propensity to be a danger to others. I guess we have had different experiences with the smell of cannabis, but back from when I worked in a hotel, the protocol for when a person smoked cannabis in a room was to just leave the window and door open for 15 minutes, and no one would be the wiser after that. Whereas, if someone smoked cigarettes in the room, the cleaning process was far more costly.

Ensorceled 2y ago

> Not that one is better than the other per-se. Smoking weed is CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY better than smoking tobacco by being less addictive and MUCH less likely to cause various cancers.

jim180 2y ago
I wonder, if one smoked one joint per hour (like tobacco) for 30 years, what the end game would be?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  But no one does that.
op00to 2y ago
Smoking is still bad, weed or tobacco or crack or whatever. I think cannabis is plenty addictive.
lolinder 2y ago
Yes, but too often people hear that and sub in "harmless", which it's absolutely not. "Better than tobacco" is one of the easiest bars for any drug to clear, and weed is not by any stretch of the imagination harmless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaI0ZeAf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaI0ZeAf8
- portaouflop 2y ago
  Nothing is really completely harmless if you think about it - but I agree that weed is more dangerous than it’s made out to be often. I think the same applies to every socially accepted drug, such as coffee, alcohol, ibuprofen etc
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Yeah, "nothing is really completely harmless" is used to justify all kinds of harm. Nothing is completely harmless, but some things are more harmful than others, and at least with adolescents weed isn't even in the same ballpark as coffee or ibuprofen.

portaouflop 2y ago

I think the same when I see people chugging a fat black coffee the moment they wake up. I wouldn’t be able to focus at all, constant jitters - how can these people all work effectively while being strung out on caffeine? The answer is it’s all about tolerance and what drugs are social acceptable. The guy who smokes all day just gets back to baseline with his first joint in the day, he’s not actually high as you would be if you did that - same as with the caffeine addicts. I think in a free society everyone should be able to put in their body what they believe is good for them - it’s a bit more complicated in real life but still…

Cumpiler69 2y ago
If someone drinks coffee in public, nobody around them gets "passive coffee drinking", in order to be a public nuisance like smokers.
- nindalf 2y ago
  Just so we're clear, you're talking about weed smokers like the GP? You've gotten passively stoned?
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    It’s hard to do but if you would be in a locked room with a bunch of lit joints going around you probably can get moderately passively stoned.
    - skyyler 2y ago
      That's a bit different than the public nuisance claims. I suppose you'd want to avoid a cannabis sauna if you want to avoid getting passively stoned.
      - portaouflop 2y ago
        Yea I wrote it more to illustrate that the “getting passively stoned from smoke on the street” argument is kinda ridiculous

asoneth 2y ago

> You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed Interesting, this has not been my experience. Certainly smoking weed is much more accepted than it used to be and cigarettes are less accepted than they used to be, but it seems like they've both ended up in a similar category. A non-smoker walking down the sidewalk might stay further away from someone smoking weed but I'm not sure it's a value judgement so much as the fact that the skunky smell seems to travel further. Though besides giving them a wide berth and maybe causing people to scrunch up their nose, I've never seen anyone get harassed for either unless they're in a nonsmoking area or a playground or something and in that case I haven't noticed any difference in people's response.

high_na_euv 2y ago

>You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. I think it may be just your bubble Ive never saw someone casually smoking weed on streets

shermantanktop 2y ago
Just saw someone smoking weed using a beer can as a pipe, waiting for the bus, at 11am. This was in Seattle. It’s common here. And the smell, it lingers and wafts down the block, ugh.
ses1984 2y ago
If you walk around busy areas of Manhattan (or any sufficiently busy metro area where weed is legal (and even some where it’s not)) you will smell weed at any time of day. It’s the first thing my coworkers remarked on when they visited our ny offices from out of the country.

dingnuts 2y ago

> But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. This isn't even socially accepted among stoners who smoke every day once you're old enough to have a job. Not sure who you are hanging out with but people who are high all day every day are one of two things: 1 addicts, and considered so even by stoners, who have crazy tolerance and like alcoholics can function under the influence better than non addicts or 2 they have a terrible painful disease like ankylosing spondylitis and the only effect of the cannabis is a slight reduction in pain because when your spine is pinched you don't get as much of the euphoria and whatnot from pot Hope that clears it up

whateveracct 2y ago

> someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? You realize the high from a joint only last a couple hours, right? He could go out to breakfast (always a fun high activity), people watch a bit (again), and then go for a walk in the park or listen to some music or whatever. And then spend the rest of the day sober. Could even go into the office fine lol. Or keep smoking weed (that's okay too).

dec0dedab0de 2y ago

But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? Chemicals affect people differently. There are some high energy, high anxiety people who can be very productive on all kinds of substances that would make me useless all day. That said, there are also a ton of stoners just doing nothing all day. I get it though, when I was a teenager working at bestbuy I got high just to make it through the day. Now that I have to think at work it is unimaginable. It really is strange how having a beer with breakfast is somehow worse societally than smoking a joint. I think we’re going to see pushback against cannabis abuse in the next few decades. Hopefully after it’s fully legal.

elpocko 2y ago

>What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day? It's a matter of experience and tolerance. A heavy weed smoker doesn't get "high" in the same way as someone who only smokes on occasion. You get a buzz, a slight alteration of your inner state, but there is no huge impairment. For some people, especially those who work intellectually and creatively, it's quite the opposite actually.

ubermonkey 2y ago

>But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. Not everyone works a business day. 7AM on a weekday may be a day off, or may be someone on 3rd shift coming home and unwinding. Weed is also not really like booze. There are no end of jobs where being a little high is probably a net positive.

anal_reactor 2y ago

I think the problem is that at some point cigarette smokers started terrorizing the rest of the society, assuming that every space is smoking space. This doesn't really happen with weed, at least not to same extent