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Hi small comment, please remember in china many things are sponsored by or subsidized by the government. "We[china] can do it for less.." , "it's cheaper in chi

Hi small comment, please remember in china many things are sponsored by or subsidized by the government. "We[china] can do it for less.." , "it's cheaper in china.." only means the government gave us a pile of cash and help to get here . I 100% expect some downvotes from the ccp.

tivert 2y ago
> Hi small comment, please remember in china many things are sponsored by or subsidized by the government. "We[china] can do it for less.." , "it's cheaper in china.." only means the government gave us a pile of cash and help to get here . And that's a really important strategic advantage China has versus America, which has such an insane fixation on pure(ish) free markets and free trade that it gives away its advantages in strategic industry after strategic industry. Some people falsely infer from the experience with the Soviet Union that freer markets always win geopolitical competition, but that's false.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  > And that's a really important strategic advantage China has versus America, which has such an insane fixation on pure(ish) free markets and free trade that it gives away its advantages in strategic industry after strategic industry. > Some people falsely infer from the experience with the Soviet Union that freer markets always win geopolitical competition, but that's false. The data we have is 500 years of free markets in the western world and the verdict is overwhelmingly: Yes, more freedom means more winning. Just invite some incompetent bureaucrat over your house to dictate how you should cook and you'll quickly agree.
  - tivert 2y ago
    > The data we have is 500 years of free markets in the western world and the verdict is overwhelmingly: Yes, more freedom means more winning. No, more freedom means more winning to a point. Past that point it does not, and I'd argue that's where the US is. > Just invite some incompetent bureaucrat over your house to dictate how you should cook and you'll quickly agree. That's supposed to be convincing, somehow? Just invite some "competent" capitalist over to your house, and he'll sell your fishing rod in exchange for a short-term discount on fish at the supermarket, and see how well you win.
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" are words you like to hear? At least anybody else I can tell to leave me alone.
      - tivert 2y ago
        > "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" are words you like to hear? They're definitely not "the nine most terrifying words in the English language." Government is a necessity and performs important functions: we'd be worse off without it. A libertarian utopia would actually be a dystopia, at least for the vast majority. Some day, historians will ask: Why did China eclipse the United States? And the tl;dr answer will likely be: libertarians. Myopic enthusiasm for free markets has really degraded the US's ability to make strategic decisions to maintain its advantages, and it seems on track to walk down the value chain while a few people get really rich leading it that way.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        > Some day, historians will ask: Why did China eclipse the United States? Why do you need to make leaps to the future to find evidence for your claims? Anyone can simply look at the past 500 years and come to the opposite conclusion. There's also not much evidence China will "eclipse" the United States (whatever that means). I hitchhiked mainland China in 2019 after studying the language in university precisely because I thought the country might "eclipse" mine. I came back with the exact opposite conclusion. If the definition of "eclipse" is more global cultural influence, I would challenge you to compare the number of American movies you've watched in the past year vs Chinese movies. Movies are just 1 dimension of this dynamic. The country has simply too much history and insularity to propagate its influence throughout the world. The language is another key example- very few learn Chinese as a second language. Even the Chinese youth themselves often use the latin alphabet to write their own language on a keyboard.
- syndicatedjelly 2y ago
  It’s false except for every time that it has been true
kccqzy 2y ago
And the United States subsidizes plenty of things too. For example the CHIPS act has $39 billion in subsidies for chip manufacturing on U.S. soil. There's nothing wrong with either country's subsidies. I personally don't believe in maximum free market. Government subsidy is more often than not a good thing and we need more of them both here and in China.
lucb1e 2y ago
> I 100% expect some downvotes from the ccp. Always happy to oblige when someone insinuates that any critics must be government agents
- bluesounddirect 2y ago
  Naa just wanted to see who would bite.
blacklightpy 2y ago
It's just the way it should be.
bluesounddirect 2y ago
https://apnews.com/article/deepseek-china-generative-ai-internet-security-concerns-c52562f8c4760a81c4f76bc5fbdebad0 https://apnews.com/article/deepseek-china-generative-ai-inte... TA

tivert 2y ago

> Hi small comment, please remember in china many things are sponsored by or subsidized by the government. "We[china] can do it for less.." , "it's cheaper in china.." only means the government gave us a pile of cash and help to get here . And that's a really important strategic advantage China has versus America, which has such an insane fixation on pure(ish) free markets and free trade that it gives away its advantages in strategic industry after strategic industry. Some people falsely infer from the experience with the Soviet Union that freer markets always win geopolitical competition, but that's false.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
> And that's a really important strategic advantage China has versus America, which has such an insane fixation on pure(ish) free markets and free trade that it gives away its advantages in strategic industry after strategic industry. > Some people falsely infer from the experience with the Soviet Union that freer markets always win geopolitical competition, but that's false. The data we have is 500 years of free markets in the western world and the verdict is overwhelmingly: Yes, more freedom means more winning. Just invite some incompetent bureaucrat over your house to dictate how you should cook and you'll quickly agree.
- tivert 2y ago
  > The data we have is 500 years of free markets in the western world and the verdict is overwhelmingly: Yes, more freedom means more winning. No, more freedom means more winning to a point. Past that point it does not, and I'd argue that's where the US is. > Just invite some incompetent bureaucrat over your house to dictate how you should cook and you'll quickly agree. That's supposed to be convincing, somehow? Just invite some "competent" capitalist over to your house, and he'll sell your fishing rod in exchange for a short-term discount on fish at the supermarket, and see how well you win.
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" are words you like to hear? At least anybody else I can tell to leave me alone.
    - tivert 2y ago
      > "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" are words you like to hear? They're definitely not "the nine most terrifying words in the English language." Government is a necessity and performs important functions: we'd be worse off without it. A libertarian utopia would actually be a dystopia, at least for the vast majority. Some day, historians will ask: Why did China eclipse the United States? And the tl;dr answer will likely be: libertarians. Myopic enthusiasm for free markets has really degraded the US's ability to make strategic decisions to maintain its advantages, and it seems on track to walk down the value chain while a few people get really rich leading it that way.
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        > Some day, historians will ask: Why did China eclipse the United States? Why do you need to make leaps to the future to find evidence for your claims? Anyone can simply look at the past 500 years and come to the opposite conclusion. There's also not much evidence China will "eclipse" the United States (whatever that means). I hitchhiked mainland China in 2019 after studying the language in university precisely because I thought the country might "eclipse" mine. I came back with the exact opposite conclusion. If the definition of "eclipse" is more global cultural influence, I would challenge you to compare the number of American movies you've watched in the past year vs Chinese movies. Movies are just 1 dimension of this dynamic. The country has simply too much history and insularity to propagate its influence throughout the world. The language is another key example- very few learn Chinese as a second language. Even the Chinese youth themselves often use the latin alphabet to write their own language on a keyboard.
syndicatedjelly 2y ago
It’s false except for every time that it has been true

kccqzy 2y ago

And the United States subsidizes plenty of things too. For example the CHIPS act has $39 billion in subsidies for chip manufacturing on U.S. soil. There's nothing wrong with either country's subsidies. I personally don't believe in maximum free market. Government subsidy is more often than not a good thing and we need more of them both here and in China.

lucb1e 2y ago

> I 100% expect some downvotes from the ccp. Always happy to oblige when someone insinuates that any critics must be government agents

bluesounddirect 2y ago
Naa just wanted to see who would bite.

blacklightpy 2y ago

It's just the way it should be.

bluesounddirect 2y ago

https://apnews.com/article/deepseek-china-generative-ai-internet-security-concerns-c52562f8c4760a81c4f76bc5fbdebad0 https://apnews.com/article/deepseek-china-generative-ai-inte... TA