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> Chatgpt is arguably more valuable then Wikipedia and Google for studies. But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google. For the consumers it's an incremen

by mojuba 2y ago

> Chatgpt is arguably more valuable then Wikipedia and Google for studies. But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google. For the consumers it's an incremental thing (although from the engineering perspective it may seem to be a breakthrough).

diggan 2y ago
> But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google It really isn't, unless something really majorly changed recently. Neither of those you can query for something you don't know about. Lets say you want to find the meaning of a joke related to cars, Spain, politicians and a fascist, how you'd use Wikipedia and Google to find the specific joke I'm thinking about? ChatGPT been really helpful (to me at least) to find needles from haystacks, especially when I'm not fully sure what I'm looking for.
- voidUpdate 2y ago
  Every time I ask chatgpt, I get a different answer. Copilot refused to answer me. Not sure LLMs are the answer you're looking for here
  - diggan 2y ago
    I just tried it myself with ChatGPT o1 and with Claude's Sonnet 3.5, Sonnet got it after two messages, o1 after 4. If you're unable to reproduce, maybe tune the prompt a bit? I'm not sure what to tell you, all I can tell you that I'm able to figure out stuff a lot faster today than I was 2-3 years ago, thanks to LLMs. Additional hints that might help; the joke involves a car and possibly a space program.
    - voidUpdate 2y ago
      I ran it 10 times with the extra information, and each time got a different result. I don't know if any of them were the specific joke you were after, I get the feeling it was just making them up on the spot. None of them are even funny
      - diggan 2y ago
        Here is an example of Sonnet finding the right joke after two messages: https://i.imgur.com/nKvS2cW.png https://i.imgur.com/nKvS2cW.png It seems to be censored with US puritan morality (like most US models), but I think that's besides the point (just like if the joke is "even funny" or not), as it did find the correct joke at least.
        voidUpdate 2y ago
        I just got a load of responses like "Sure, here’s a joke that combines cars, Spain, politicians, and a fascist with a touch of space humor: Why did the Spanish politician, the fascist, and the car mechanic get together to start a space program? Because the politician wanted to go "far-right," the mechanic said he could "fix" anything, and the fascist just wanted to take the car to the moon... so they could all escape when things got "too hot" here on Earth!"
        diggan 2y ago
        Ok, that's cool. So because you were unable to find a needle in this case, your conclusion is that it's impossible that other people to use LLMs for this, and LLMs truly are just glorified Wikipedia/Google?
        voidUpdate 2y ago
        No, I don't think that LLMs are glorified Wikipedia/Google. I think they're a glorified version of pressing the middle button on your phone's autocomplete repeatedly
        diggan 2y ago
        So you didn't enter the conversation to follow along with the existing discussion, but to share your grievance about how LLMs work regardless? Useful
- dgfitz 2y ago
  https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+find+the+meaning+of+a+joke+related+to+cars%2C+Spain%2C+politicians+and+a+fascist https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+find+the+meaning+of+a+joke+r... Second result. The first is this post.
  - diggan 2y ago
    Wow, the 90s came back to visit us at HN :) So funni. Did quick scroll through the results, none of them seem to find the correct joke (none of the links even include "Spain" for me). Try again :) For the record, this is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/XdsBGfM.png https://i.imgur.com/XdsBGfM.png (no links to HN?)
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      Yeah... when I googled it initially I guess I got personalized results. After I left the link here I clicked on it (bad order of operations) and was surprised to find a much different set of search results.
whamlastxmas 2y ago
Go try to learn a college level mathematics concept from Wikipedia, then try to learn it from ChatGPT. The wiki article may as well be written in a foreign language
- JetSpiegel 2y ago
  Sure, a glorified Google, it will link to 3Blue1Brown and its ilk, not AI slop.

by mojuba 2y ago

diggan 2y ago

> But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google It really isn't, unless something really majorly changed recently. Neither of those you can query for something you don't know about. Lets say you want to find the meaning of a joke related to cars, Spain, politicians and a fascist, how you'd use Wikipedia and Google to find the specific joke I'm thinking about? ChatGPT been really helpful (to me at least) to find needles from haystacks, especially when I'm not fully sure what I'm looking for.

voidUpdate 2y ago
Every time I ask chatgpt, I get a different answer. Copilot refused to answer me. Not sure LLMs are the answer you're looking for here
- diggan 2y ago
  I just tried it myself with ChatGPT o1 and with Claude's Sonnet 3.5, Sonnet got it after two messages, o1 after 4. If you're unable to reproduce, maybe tune the prompt a bit? I'm not sure what to tell you, all I can tell you that I'm able to figure out stuff a lot faster today than I was 2-3 years ago, thanks to LLMs. Additional hints that might help; the joke involves a car and possibly a space program.
  - voidUpdate 2y ago
    I ran it 10 times with the extra information, and each time got a different result. I don't know if any of them were the specific joke you were after, I get the feeling it was just making them up on the spot. None of them are even funny
    - diggan 2y ago
      Here is an example of Sonnet finding the right joke after two messages: https://i.imgur.com/nKvS2cW.png https://i.imgur.com/nKvS2cW.png It seems to be censored with US puritan morality (like most US models), but I think that's besides the point (just like if the joke is "even funny" or not), as it did find the correct joke at least.
      - voidUpdate 2y ago
        I just got a load of responses like "Sure, here’s a joke that combines cars, Spain, politicians, and a fascist with a touch of space humor: Why did the Spanish politician, the fascist, and the car mechanic get together to start a space program? Because the politician wanted to go "far-right," the mechanic said he could "fix" anything, and the fascist just wanted to take the car to the moon... so they could all escape when things got "too hot" here on Earth!"
        diggan 2y ago
        Ok, that's cool. So because you were unable to find a needle in this case, your conclusion is that it's impossible that other people to use LLMs for this, and LLMs truly are just glorified Wikipedia/Google?
        voidUpdate 2y ago
        No, I don't think that LLMs are glorified Wikipedia/Google. I think they're a glorified version of pressing the middle button on your phone's autocomplete repeatedly
        diggan 2y ago
        So you didn't enter the conversation to follow along with the existing discussion, but to share your grievance about how LLMs work regardless? Useful
dgfitz 2y ago
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+find+the+meaning+of+a+joke+related+to+cars%2C+Spain%2C+politicians+and+a+fascist https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+find+the+meaning+of+a+joke+r... Second result. The first is this post.
- diggan 2y ago
  Wow, the 90s came back to visit us at HN :) So funni. Did quick scroll through the results, none of them seem to find the correct joke (none of the links even include "Spain" for me). Try again :) For the record, this is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/XdsBGfM.png https://i.imgur.com/XdsBGfM.png (no links to HN?)
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Yeah... when I googled it initially I guess I got personalized results. After I left the link here I clicked on it (bad order of operations) and was surprised to find a much different set of search results.

whamlastxmas 2y ago

Go try to learn a college level mathematics concept from Wikipedia, then try to learn it from ChatGPT. The wiki article may as well be written in a foreign language

JetSpiegel 2y ago
Sure, a glorified Google, it will link to 3Blue1Brown and its ilk, not AI slop.