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Surprised not to see David Graeber's "The Dawn of Everything" recommended yet in a thread like this. It details how "pre-modern" societies functioned based on

Surprised not to see David Graeber's "The Dawn of Everything" recommended yet in a thread like this. It details how "pre-modern" societies functioned based on the available archaeological and anthropological evidence we have, and one of its key findings is just how much human history conflicts with narratives like "the alpha myth". It also goes into detail about how we ended up with so many social narratives like it that just don't have any justifiable precedent.

1oooqooq 2y ago
this is way above the audience. this conversation is unfortunately like talking about garbage collector algorithms in different architectures, to social science grads. but in the rare case a social scientist want to lear about memory borrowing, i would also suggest somethig more recent (and less anachist to this crowd) https://ia804705.us.archive.org/13/items/byung-chul-han-the-burnout-society-2015-stanford-briefs-libgen.lc/Byung-Chul%20Han%20-%20The%20Burnout%20Society%20%282015%2C%20Stanford%20Briefs%29%20-%20libgen.lc.pdf https://ia804705.us.archive.org/13/items/byung-chul-han-the-...
- mattgreenrocks 2y ago
  I've had that (The Burnout Society) on my to-read list for awhile, do you recommend it? I think the core thesis is spot on from what I've seen of discussions, and am looking to decide which aspects of ambition are my own, and which have I have accepted unconsciously.
  - DavidPiper 2y ago
    Coincidentally, I actually re-read The Burnout Society a few months ago while I was listening to The Dawn of Everything. I strongly recommend The Burnout Society, though I think it tackles these issues from a different perspective: "how we compromise ourselves in service of the (false) personal and societal narratives we've constructed". A more direct line to The Dawn of Everything in the sense of "how did we construct these narratives in the first place?" would probably be Humankind: A Hopeful History by Rutger Bregman. Coincidentally for this thread, it also includes a chapter on the results of real wolf domestication studies (and how it affects animal behaviour) in past decades.
  - 1oooqooq 2y ago
    its good but very "pop". if you're already in the matter, either deep dive on papers not books from Graeber or go to the still verry relevant source of all this, wich i consider to be Gramsci.
- dang 2y ago
  "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's great to post relevant and informative links, but please do it without putting down others. If you're participating here, you're as much the community as anyone else is. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=share%20know%20learn%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
stonesthrowaway 2y ago
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1oooqooq 2y ago

this is way above the audience. this conversation is unfortunately like talking about garbage collector algorithms in different architectures, to social science grads. but in the rare case a social scientist want to lear about memory borrowing, i would also suggest somethig more recent (and less anachist to this crowd) https://ia804705.us.archive.org/13/items/byung-chul-han-the-burnout-society-2015-stanford-briefs-libgen.lc/Byung-Chul%20Han%20-%20The%20Burnout%20Society%20%282015%2C%20Stanford%20Briefs%29%20-%20libgen.lc.pdf https://ia804705.us.archive.org/13/items/byung-chul-han-the-...

mattgreenrocks 2y ago
I've had that (The Burnout Society) on my to-read list for awhile, do you recommend it? I think the core thesis is spot on from what I've seen of discussions, and am looking to decide which aspects of ambition are my own, and which have I have accepted unconsciously.
- DavidPiper 2y ago
  Coincidentally, I actually re-read The Burnout Society a few months ago while I was listening to The Dawn of Everything. I strongly recommend The Burnout Society, though I think it tackles these issues from a different perspective: "how we compromise ourselves in service of the (false) personal and societal narratives we've constructed". A more direct line to The Dawn of Everything in the sense of "how did we construct these narratives in the first place?" would probably be Humankind: A Hopeful History by Rutger Bregman. Coincidentally for this thread, it also includes a chapter on the results of real wolf domestication studies (and how it affects animal behaviour) in past decades.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  its good but very "pop". if you're already in the matter, either deep dive on papers not books from Graeber or go to the still verry relevant source of all this, wich i consider to be Gramsci.
dang 2y ago
"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's great to post relevant and informative links, but please do it without putting down others. If you're participating here, you're as much the community as anyone else is. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=share%20know%20learn%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

stonesthrowaway 2y ago

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