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> Impeachment speedrun. An impeachment of a GOP president, by a GOP House and GOP Senate? With one of the GOP reps trying to give him a third term: * https://

> Impeachment speedrun. An impeachment of a GOP president, by a GOP House and GOP Senate? With one of the GOP reps trying to give him a third term: * https://ogles.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ogles-proposes-amending-22nd-amendment-allow-trump-serve-third-term https://ogles.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ogles-propo... * https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/trump-third-term-amendment-constitution-ogles.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/trump-third-term-amendment-c... Sure. The GOP are now basically accomplices.

rbanffy 2y ago
I am sure at least some of them know right from wrong. It'd be a tragedy if representatives were loyal to a president over the country.
- jounker 2y ago
  It’s almost like you haven’t been watching US politics for the last eight years.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    I should have said I'm hopeful. I'm always hopeful people can behave like adults and see the long term consequences of their action (and inaction) over others as well as themselves.
    - DrDeadCrash 2y ago
      This is like being hopeful of staying dry in the rain
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > I am sure at least some of them know right from wrong. They also know which way the crowd/mob leans, and they know if they want to achieve their goals/agenda * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 they need to have power * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik If you don't have power you can't do shit. Just ask Harris/Biden/Clinton. “The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away with it.” ― Abbie Hoffman, Steal This Book At this point, at least in the US, ideals are for suckers and losers. You can have ideals once you're in, but being effective is more important before that.
- Loughla 2y ago
  There is no if in that sentence. It is Trump's party. The party of what used to be personal freedom is now in support of what amounts to a king. It's honestly astonishing.
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    What were once considered conservative values have been completely tossed aside. It kind of blows my mind.
- throw0101c 2y ago
  > It'd be a tragedy if representatives were loyal to a president over the country. Trump was impeached twice by the House but was not convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate twice. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump The second impeachment was for "incitement of insurrection". Pardon my bluntness, but what planet are you living on?
- Novosell 2y ago
  Knowing right from wrong and acting on that knowledge are entirely different though.
- vharuck 2y ago
  Standing up to Trump is dangerous to one's political and mortal future. He's removed the security details of Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, two Republicans who served him during his first term. Trump is a spiteful man with no care about the lives or safety of others, and that's partly what got him elected. The remaining Republicans know this, and will toe the line. Speaking out against Trump, even if one retires, is dangerous.
tehwebguy 2y ago
Plus it’s not like there are Democrats doing anything to fight it.
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Exactly. There is no need for fascism because there is no left opposing him. That is what people do not understand. We have corporate government that will be dictating your lives and you are focused on Trump and not the Oligarchs that control everything.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    They lack the numbers. And it seems everyone is frightened by everyone else's obsequiousness towards borderline illegal orders.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    What would a hypothetical "left" do differently than the current Democrats? Assuming this "left" is similarly handicapped like the Democrats are, having just lost control of the House, Senate and White House?
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    You don't get to blame the Democrats anymore. They were voted out in November, and are no longer in power in any way. There is no "opposition" power structure in the US system. If congress brings a bill to a vote, democrats can threaten to filibuster it, but the GOP can pretty easily call that bluff right now. That's it. That's the only "power" a minority party has in the US system.
    - leovingi 2y ago
      Imagine being a party so pretentious, so horrible and disgusting that you lose to a fascist
- lawn 2y ago
  Oh, when the republicans are turning to fascism let's blame the democrats that lost the election completely and has no power to do anything anymore.
ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
So the Executive and majorities in both houses of the Legislative branch are all aligned? How does that make them "accomplices" and not just a valid government doing governance?
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > How does that make them "accomplices" and not just a valid government doing governance? By supporting someone who attempted a self-coup: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T...
- DFHippie 2y ago
  "Accomplice" means a confederate in a crime. If the executive violates a law and the legislature, among whose duties is to catch and prosecute such acts, allows him to do so, they are accomplices. If they work together to achieve ends through the normal, legal process, they are not accomplices.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
    Sorry this doesn't acknowledge the reality of how our government has trended over the last 30 years
  - science4sail 2y ago
    What is a crime? At the end of the day, laws and legal processes are just social norms. To quote The Onion: "Trump Claims He Can Overrule Constitution With Executive Order Because Of Little-Known ‘No One Will Stop Me’ Loophole"[0] [0] https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constitution-with-executiv-1830106306/ https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constituti...

rbanffy 2y ago

I am sure at least some of them know right from wrong. It'd be a tragedy if representatives were loyal to a president over the country.

jounker 2y ago
It’s almost like you haven’t been watching US politics for the last eight years.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  I should have said I'm hopeful. I'm always hopeful people can behave like adults and see the long term consequences of their action (and inaction) over others as well as themselves.
  - DrDeadCrash 2y ago
    This is like being hopeful of staying dry in the rain
throw0101d 2y ago
> I am sure at least some of them know right from wrong. They also know which way the crowd/mob leans, and they know if they want to achieve their goals/agenda * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 they need to have power * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik If you don't have power you can't do shit. Just ask Harris/Biden/Clinton. “The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away with it.” ― Abbie Hoffman, Steal This Book At this point, at least in the US, ideals are for suckers and losers. You can have ideals once you're in, but being effective is more important before that.
Loughla 2y ago
There is no if in that sentence. It is Trump's party. The party of what used to be personal freedom is now in support of what amounts to a king. It's honestly astonishing.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  What were once considered conservative values have been completely tossed aside. It kind of blows my mind.
throw0101c 2y ago
> It'd be a tragedy if representatives were loyal to a president over the country. Trump was impeached twice by the House but was not convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate twice. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump The second impeachment was for "incitement of insurrection". Pardon my bluntness, but what planet are you living on?
Novosell 2y ago
Knowing right from wrong and acting on that knowledge are entirely different though.
vharuck 2y ago
Standing up to Trump is dangerous to one's political and mortal future. He's removed the security details of Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, two Republicans who served him during his first term. Trump is a spiteful man with no care about the lives or safety of others, and that's partly what got him elected. The remaining Republicans know this, and will toe the line. Speaking out against Trump, even if one retires, is dangerous.

tehwebguy 2y ago

Plus it’s not like there are Democrats doing anything to fight it.

FollowingTheDao 2y ago
Exactly. There is no need for fascism because there is no left opposing him. That is what people do not understand. We have corporate government that will be dictating your lives and you are focused on Trump and not the Oligarchs that control everything.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  They lack the numbers. And it seems everyone is frightened by everyone else's obsequiousness towards borderline illegal orders.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  What would a hypothetical "left" do differently than the current Democrats? Assuming this "left" is similarly handicapped like the Democrats are, having just lost control of the House, Senate and White House?
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  You don't get to blame the Democrats anymore. They were voted out in November, and are no longer in power in any way. There is no "opposition" power structure in the US system. If congress brings a bill to a vote, democrats can threaten to filibuster it, but the GOP can pretty easily call that bluff right now. That's it. That's the only "power" a minority party has in the US system.
  - leovingi 2y ago
    Imagine being a party so pretentious, so horrible and disgusting that you lose to a fascist
lawn 2y ago
Oh, when the republicans are turning to fascism let's blame the democrats that lost the election completely and has no power to do anything anymore.

ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago

So the Executive and majorities in both houses of the Legislative branch are all aligned? How does that make them "accomplices" and not just a valid government doing governance?

throw0101d 2y ago
> How does that make them "accomplices" and not just a valid government doing governance? By supporting someone who attempted a self-coup: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T...
DFHippie 2y ago
"Accomplice" means a confederate in a crime. If the executive violates a law and the legislature, among whose duties is to catch and prosecute such acts, allows him to do so, they are accomplices. If they work together to achieve ends through the normal, legal process, they are not accomplices.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
  Sorry this doesn't acknowledge the reality of how our government has trended over the last 30 years
- science4sail 2y ago
  What is a crime? At the end of the day, laws and legal processes are just social norms. To quote The Onion: "Trump Claims He Can Overrule Constitution With Executive Order Because Of Little-Known ‘No One Will Stop Me’ Loophole"[0] [0] https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constitution-with-executiv-1830106306/ https://theonion.com/trump-claims-he-can-overrule-constituti...