5 ms·

It seems to be what people wanted!

rbanffy 2y ago
This is the most disheartening part of it all. I have immense respect for the ideals that formed the United States, but I'm increasingly in doubt about the actual implementation.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - highcountess 2y ago
    Anyone who wants freedom and to control the excesses and abuses of the people in power would support the ideals of the Constitution. Just because white people created it does not mean that non-white people may not want to also be free and protected from abuses of the powerful. Considering how non-white people keep streaming into white countries that have benefited from these white created Constitutional limitations on power, it seems they too desire freedom and liberty even if they are being used and manipulated by the powerful in the white world to essentially break those shackles on the powerful by a kind of civilization fracking, pumping so many people into a system until it collapses and those shackles on the powerful can be removed and the powerful can once again act just like the powerful act in all the non-white countries that have not implemented the white created constitutional limitations on power. People may not realize they are a tool of the rich and powerful to destroy the very freedoms you currently enjoy, but this has never been a white vs non-white issue even though the jealousy has been used to further the aims of the rich and powerful. It has always been a rich and powerful vs the middle class and poor, with the rich and powerful manipulating the middle and lower classes to act against their own interests and in the interests of the rich and powerful. The saddest thing is that people on the “left” and often the poor, are just useful idiots for the rich and powerful, no different than some gang leader uses and abuses people to commit more abuse and crimes to get richer and more powerful. I’m not sure what people imagine will happen when white people, who essentially created everything we all enjoy, including freedoms from tyrannical violence and oppression, have been eradicated, but there is no indication that it will end well. And no, I’m not white since that seems very important to you.
    - rbanffy 2y ago
      > I’m not sure what people imagine will happen when white people, who essentially created everything we all enjoy, Just... No. Not only non-whites created a lot of things we all enjoy (money, algebra), that are also foundational for our civilization. Also, white people also invented a lot of things we all should vehemently reject (such as fascism). > including freedoms from tyrannical violence and oppression, have been eradicated, but there is no indication that it will end well. Very hard NO on this one as well. Nobody is eradicating white people and nobody is even considering it.
    - jfengel 2y ago
      I'm pretty sure they're referring to "the ideals that formed the United States". They're not nearly as admirable as we like to believe. Some of the worst atrocities are no longer in practice -- though it took the bloodiest war in US history to achieve some of them. But that's not the same as fixing the ideals, and many of those problems are still woven through the fabric of the law and the society. Imagine what those "ideals" might have been if women, blacks, native Americans, poor people, and others had been in the room. Giving them the right to vote after the basic framework is laid down does not accomplish that.
- jrs235 2y ago
  “A republic, if you can keep it.” --Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
matthewdgreen 2y ago
It is not what he campaigned on, nor what the majority of voters wanted. Not once did I hear “we are going to shut down clinical trials so your loved ones die.” I did hear a lot about grocery prices, which certainly aren’t going down because of this.
- timeon 2y ago
  AFAIK there was information about Project 2025, so this was not secret was it? And lot of people still support this as you can see it even here (as this thread is already flagged).
  - Kye 2y ago
    There are enough people who will reactively flag anything that touches the lines between politics and everything else, usually under a misunderstanding of the guidelines, that it's hard to infer intent behind a flag kill.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    Project 2025 was getting grassroots attention & was becoming rabidly unpopular. Trump denied any affiliation, claimed he didn't know these people. (Even though many are folks he's already worked with.) The media accepted that unquestionablably & regurgitated Trump's obvious lies.
- highcountess 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    Communism? This looks like the end stage of capitalism affirms horseshoe theory. It was the capitalists who were sitting front row at the inauguration, not communists.
- lightbendover 2y ago
  Then frankly you weren’t paying attention. This was all laid out in Project 2025 and there were plentiful ties between it and Trump despite his deflection.
mapt 2y ago
Most people that voted for him either weren't paying attention to the clips you and I saw of what he said he wanted to do, or didn't believe him. People in the right-wing media ecosystem are not presented with anything that might threaten their image of their politicians.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  And people in the right-wing media ecosystem RABIDLY sequester themselves away from any possible source of contrary information. Goddamn, like imagine if Hilary Clinton made a social media company called "Truth Social"! But there always seems to be double standards

This is the most disheartening part of it all. I have immense respect for the ideals that formed the United States, but I'm increasingly in doubt about the actual implementation.

trilbyglens 2y ago
[flagged]
- highcountess 2y ago
  Anyone who wants freedom and to control the excesses and abuses of the people in power would support the ideals of the Constitution. Just because white people created it does not mean that non-white people may not want to also be free and protected from abuses of the powerful. Considering how non-white people keep streaming into white countries that have benefited from these white created Constitutional limitations on power, it seems they too desire freedom and liberty even if they are being used and manipulated by the powerful in the white world to essentially break those shackles on the powerful by a kind of civilization fracking, pumping so many people into a system until it collapses and those shackles on the powerful can be removed and the powerful can once again act just like the powerful act in all the non-white countries that have not implemented the white created constitutional limitations on power. People may not realize they are a tool of the rich and powerful to destroy the very freedoms you currently enjoy, but this has never been a white vs non-white issue even though the jealousy has been used to further the aims of the rich and powerful. It has always been a rich and powerful vs the middle class and poor, with the rich and powerful manipulating the middle and lower classes to act against their own interests and in the interests of the rich and powerful. The saddest thing is that people on the “left” and often the poor, are just useful idiots for the rich and powerful, no different than some gang leader uses and abuses people to commit more abuse and crimes to get richer and more powerful. I’m not sure what people imagine will happen when white people, who essentially created everything we all enjoy, including freedoms from tyrannical violence and oppression, have been eradicated, but there is no indication that it will end well. And no, I’m not white since that seems very important to you.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    > I’m not sure what people imagine will happen when white people, who essentially created everything we all enjoy, Just... No. Not only non-whites created a lot of things we all enjoy (money, algebra), that are also foundational for our civilization. Also, white people also invented a lot of things we all should vehemently reject (such as fascism). > including freedoms from tyrannical violence and oppression, have been eradicated, but there is no indication that it will end well. Very hard NO on this one as well. Nobody is eradicating white people and nobody is even considering it.
  - jfengel 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure they're referring to "the ideals that formed the United States". They're not nearly as admirable as we like to believe. Some of the worst atrocities are no longer in practice -- though it took the bloodiest war in US history to achieve some of them. But that's not the same as fixing the ideals, and many of those problems are still woven through the fabric of the law and the society. Imagine what those "ideals" might have been if women, blacks, native Americans, poor people, and others had been in the room. Giving them the right to vote after the basic framework is laid down does not accomplish that.
jrs235 2y ago
“A republic, if you can keep it.” --Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

matthewdgreen 2y ago

It is not what he campaigned on, nor what the majority of voters wanted. Not once did I hear “we are going to shut down clinical trials so your loved ones die.” I did hear a lot about grocery prices, which certainly aren’t going down because of this.

timeon 2y ago
AFAIK there was information about Project 2025, so this was not secret was it? And lot of people still support this as you can see it even here (as this thread is already flagged).
- Kye 2y ago
  There are enough people who will reactively flag anything that touches the lines between politics and everything else, usually under a misunderstanding of the guidelines, that it's hard to infer intent behind a flag kill.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Project 2025 was getting grassroots attention & was becoming rabidly unpopular. Trump denied any affiliation, claimed he didn't know these people. (Even though many are folks he's already worked with.) The media accepted that unquestionablably & regurgitated Trump's obvious lies.
highcountess 2y ago
[flagged]
- ModernMech 2y ago
  Communism? This looks like the end stage of capitalism affirms horseshoe theory. It was the capitalists who were sitting front row at the inauguration, not communists.
lightbendover 2y ago
Then frankly you weren’t paying attention. This was all laid out in Project 2025 and there were plentiful ties between it and Trump despite his deflection.

mapt 2y ago

Most people that voted for him either weren't paying attention to the clips you and I saw of what he said he wanted to do, or didn't believe him. People in the right-wing media ecosystem are not presented with anything that might threaten their image of their politicians.

mrguyorama 2y ago
And people in the right-wing media ecosystem RABIDLY sequester themselves away from any possible source of contrary information. Goddamn, like imagine if Hilary Clinton made a social media company called "Truth Social"! But there always seems to be double standards