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> Given the spending that is now on hold was apportioned by Congress, it is likely this will face legal challenges about the scope of presidential power. So, h

by cjrp 2y ago

> Given the spending that is now on hold was apportioned by Congress, it is likely this will face legal challenges about the scope of presidential power. So, how quickly will this be overturned?

nappy-doo 2y ago
Have you met the current congress? They have to care first.
- cjrp 2y ago
  Is it up to congress though? Not the Supreme Court?
  - Tadpole9181 2y ago
    Someone with standing needs to sue, which is then moved through the court system. We would need a US v Trump. That, or they impeach, which is utterly laughable.
    - extra88 2y ago
      Anyone who's supposed to receive that money has standing and a federal judge can quickly rule that the status quo must remain while the case proceeds. The Trump administration can appeal that ruling but I think it would make it's way through the available steps relatively quickly.
      - mywittyname 2y ago
        The next steps are probably to cut funding anyway. I have a gut feeling that this is part of a larger power play that demonstrates that (this specific) President has no limitations on his power.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    It would be, but they are a rubber stamp for Trump now. Now only judges can stop the madness. Hopefully SCOTUS will actually do their job and make sure that Trump sticks to the law, which does not allow him to just defund programs set up by Congressional vote. Otherwise we wouldn't need a Congress. He's pushing at the walls to see how much he can tear down.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  This assumes that they are the only party with standing to sue, which is not likely the case. (Previous rulings on the lack of the authority of the executive to withhold appropriated funds have come in suits by intended recipients.) Both private parties (nonprofits and businesses) [1] and a group of 23 states [2] have already filed suit over the order. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/non-profits-health-groups-sue-over-trumps-freeze-grants-loans-2025-01-28/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/non-profits-health-groups-sue-... [2] https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-files-lawsuit-seeks-immediate-court-order-block-sweeping https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bont... EDIT: And it has been blocked, for now: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pause-federal-grants-aid-f9948b9996c0ca971f0065fac85737ce https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pause-federal-grants...
  - bagels 2y ago
    Supreme court is in Trump's pocket. You can bet it will be appealed, all the way up, with some new legal theory invented to say that Trump can do whatever he wants.
DFHippie 2y ago
How quickly did any of the Trump trials conclude?
- addandsubtract 2y ago
  They concluded pretty quickly once he won the election.
  - trilbyglens 2y ago
    Yooouch
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  The cases don't have to conclude to get a binding interim order (preliminary injunction) blocking the action.
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by cjrp 2y ago

> Given the spending that is now on hold was apportioned by Congress, it is likely this will face legal challenges about the scope of presidential power. So, how quickly will this be overturned?

nappy-doo 2y ago

Have you met the current congress? They have to care first.

cjrp 2y ago
Is it up to congress though? Not the Supreme Court?
- Tadpole9181 2y ago
  Someone with standing needs to sue, which is then moved through the court system. We would need a US v Trump. That, or they impeach, which is utterly laughable.
  - extra88 2y ago
    Anyone who's supposed to receive that money has standing and a federal judge can quickly rule that the status quo must remain while the case proceeds. The Trump administration can appeal that ruling but I think it would make it's way through the available steps relatively quickly.
    - mywittyname 2y ago
      The next steps are probably to cut funding anyway. I have a gut feeling that this is part of a larger power play that demonstrates that (this specific) President has no limitations on his power.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  It would be, but they are a rubber stamp for Trump now. Now only judges can stop the madness. Hopefully SCOTUS will actually do their job and make sure that Trump sticks to the law, which does not allow him to just defund programs set up by Congressional vote. Otherwise we wouldn't need a Congress. He's pushing at the walls to see how much he can tear down.
dragonwriter 2y ago
This assumes that they are the only party with standing to sue, which is not likely the case. (Previous rulings on the lack of the authority of the executive to withhold appropriated funds have come in suits by intended recipients.) Both private parties (nonprofits and businesses) [1] and a group of 23 states [2] have already filed suit over the order. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/non-profits-health-groups-sue-over-trumps-freeze-grants-loans-2025-01-28/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/non-profits-health-groups-sue-... [2] https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-files-lawsuit-seeks-immediate-court-order-block-sweeping https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bont... EDIT: And it has been blocked, for now: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pause-federal-grants-aid-f9948b9996c0ca971f0065fac85737ce https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pause-federal-grants...
- bagels 2y ago
  Supreme court is in Trump's pocket. You can bet it will be appealed, all the way up, with some new legal theory invented to say that Trump can do whatever he wants.

DFHippie 2y ago

How quickly did any of the Trump trials conclude?

addandsubtract 2y ago
They concluded pretty quickly once he won the election.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  Yooouch
dragonwriter 2y ago
The cases don't have to conclude to get a binding interim order (preliminary injunction) blocking the action.

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