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AI is still a fad.

by coldpepper 2y ago

AI is still a fad.

anothermathbozo 2y ago
How so?
- jack_pp 2y ago
  I'd write a script that crawls all these AI topics and use an LLM to count how many times this conversation has been had but I'm too tired to do so lol. Just don't feed the troll / dumb person. If they're too stupid to see how revolutionary LLMs are by this point.. just let them be stupid. Just downvote and move on with your life
  - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
    We’ll know when it can park a car in an everyday parking spot without messing up your Grandma’s Camry I suppose.
    - handfuloflight 2y ago
      Oh yeah, let's all wait till then to get the value out of models today.
      - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
        I’m not saying it doesn’t have value, but it’s not worth my time to spend 20 minutes to prompt engineer a tool to write me a plagiarized document I could write myself in 20 minutes? Why would I invest my time into using a tool that undermines my own value? What’s the value prop for me?
        handfuloflight 2y ago
        Your inability to find value propositions and use cases is your issue.
        SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
        K, just keep this conversation in mind in a decade or two when you realize that your input is the product, not what you got out of it.
        handfuloflight 2y ago
        Oh yeah—tell that to my AI pipelines on my local compute.
        SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
        Local pipelines are great and all for now but there’s practically no way those will be able to keep up with server based models long-term. If those are useful for you today, that’s great.
        handfuloflight 2y ago
        Right and those "server based models" can be deployed by me or my team, on clusters we own.
        oefnak 2y ago
        You're talking in a thread about Deepseek...
- deadbabe 2y ago
  When everyday people are telling you their opinions about what AI is gonna do you know it’s a fad.
  - raincole 2y ago
    Everyday people were talking about iPhone. That was what made iPhone a fad and prevented Apple from being the company with the highest MarketCap.
    - deadbabe 2y ago
      iPhone was a fad. Everyone and their grandmother had an idea for some kind of app. It was all people talked about, apps apps apps. Then the market blew up and a few big winners ate up all the profit and everyone else died on the long tail. Today, iPhone exists, but people don’t even think about them much. They just use it. Pestering someone now about your iPhone app idea is like pestering someone about your website idea back in 2015.
      - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
        What you’re talking about really isn’t that iPhone is or was a fad. What’s really happened is innovation has essentially halted and it has become a commodity like all smartphones.
      - AnonymousPlanet 2y ago
        Everyone and their dog keep trying to force me to use their apps, like there's a mantra inside their marketing divisions that apps are the shit. Doesn't look like apps are over. The market is just saturated of "app for X". The hype of getting rich from zero through one app is over, but apps aren't. VR movies was a fad. You can date a TV by it's "VR mode" feature on the remote to a few years. No one is trying to sell me VR TVs anymore. That's what a fad looks like.
  - handfuloflight 2y ago
    Every day people were doing that with the Internet.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
How so? There are so many tangible applications already: reduced customers service costs, legal research, analysis of medical records or imaging, self-driving Waymos, and so on. Just the things I listed will have profound impacts on cost savings, productivity, and quality of life.
- Nullabillity 2y ago
  Little Boy certainly had "profound impacts on cost savings, productivity, and quality of life" in Hiroshima. Impact isn't inherently positive.
breakitmakeit 2y ago
I wrote a tested prototype MMO in the last few weekends with AI as my power tools. You're holding it wrong.
- RugnirViking 2y ago
  I'm VERY interested in your project. Not playing it, I mean more the techniques and tech stack. That sounds entirely out of my reach with an AI, and ive written game engines in c++ before. Networking, synchronisation problems, etc are really really hard. What process did you use with the AIs, any prompting insights - context, agentic prompts etc? What tech stack did you use that you found AIs were familliar enough with, ive found them woefully misinformed about most libraries and technologies ive tried them with in game development, often confidently mixing out of date and new information
  - breakitmakeit 2y ago
    I'm using Cursor's composer agent mode with Sonnet 3.5 (I don't use OpenAI on principle, snakes). It does a great job of finding the relevant code without overloading its context window. I experimented today with Aider (to get R1 involved) and had less success, but it might be that I don't have the workflow down. I have found cursor can handle a .NET C# back-end using highly standard code structures very well. SignalR for networking. I've created servers and very basic HTML visualization for three projects - a fairly simple autobattler (took a day), a web-based beat-em-up (2 days), and now a bit more ambitiously my dream RTS-MMO (3rd weekend running). I started with concise MVP specifications including requirements for future scaling, and from these worked with the AI to make dot point architectural documents. Once we had those down I moved step-by-step, developing elements and tests simultaneously then having the agent automatically run the tests and debug. The test-driven debugging is the part that saved the most frustration, as the initial implementation was almost always broken, but leaving the agent to its own devices (tabbing in and typing "continue" when hitting Cursor's 25 tool call limit, sometimes for hours) the tests guided bug fixing and amazingly it got there fairly consistently, though occasionally it will go off the rails and start modifying the tests to pass or inventing unwanted functionality. The code is as standard as possible, with the servers all organized identically API -> Application -> Domain <- Infrastructure, and well separated between client/server. Getting basic HTML representations wasn't an issue, but it does begin to struggle and requires a lot more direction when it comes to client-side code that expands beyond initial visualization. I had a lot more success with Monogame C# than Phaser or other web formats (e.g. I quickly gave up on SFML, same issues you were having). I'm a professional game developer but without formal CS/programming training, so I'm aware of my requirements but not always how to implement them cleanly. I understand the code it writes which feels vital when it occasionally rolls a critical miss, but these projects would have taken me months without AI.
curvaturearth 2y ago
It certainly lets untrained people create stuff they probably should not
baq 2y ago
Only if you’re moving the goal posts every other week.

AI is still a fad.

anothermathbozo 2y ago

How so?

jack_pp 2y ago
I'd write a script that crawls all these AI topics and use an LLM to count how many times this conversation has been had but I'm too tired to do so lol. Just don't feed the troll / dumb person. If they're too stupid to see how revolutionary LLMs are by this point.. just let them be stupid. Just downvote and move on with your life
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
  We’ll know when it can park a car in an everyday parking spot without messing up your Grandma’s Camry I suppose.
  - handfuloflight 2y ago
    Oh yeah, let's all wait till then to get the value out of models today.
    - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
      I’m not saying it doesn’t have value, but it’s not worth my time to spend 20 minutes to prompt engineer a tool to write me a plagiarized document I could write myself in 20 minutes? Why would I invest my time into using a tool that undermines my own value? What’s the value prop for me?
      - handfuloflight 2y ago
        Your inability to find value propositions and use cases is your issue.
        SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
        K, just keep this conversation in mind in a decade or two when you realize that your input is the product, not what you got out of it.
        handfuloflight 2y ago
        Oh yeah—tell that to my AI pipelines on my local compute.
        SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
        Local pipelines are great and all for now but there’s practically no way those will be able to keep up with server based models long-term. If those are useful for you today, that’s great.
        handfuloflight 2y ago
        Right and those "server based models" can be deployed by me or my team, on clusters we own.
        oefnak 2y ago
        You're talking in a thread about Deepseek...
deadbabe 2y ago
When everyday people are telling you their opinions about what AI is gonna do you know it’s a fad.
- raincole 2y ago
  Everyday people were talking about iPhone. That was what made iPhone a fad and prevented Apple from being the company with the highest MarketCap.
  - deadbabe 2y ago
    iPhone was a fad. Everyone and their grandmother had an idea for some kind of app. It was all people talked about, apps apps apps. Then the market blew up and a few big winners ate up all the profit and everyone else died on the long tail. Today, iPhone exists, but people don’t even think about them much. They just use it. Pestering someone now about your iPhone app idea is like pestering someone about your website idea back in 2015.
    - SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
      What you’re talking about really isn’t that iPhone is or was a fad. What’s really happened is innovation has essentially halted and it has become a commodity like all smartphones.
    - AnonymousPlanet 2y ago
      Everyone and their dog keep trying to force me to use their apps, like there's a mantra inside their marketing divisions that apps are the shit. Doesn't look like apps are over. The market is just saturated of "app for X". The hype of getting rich from zero through one app is over, but apps aren't. VR movies was a fad. You can date a TV by it's "VR mode" feature on the remote to a few years. No one is trying to sell me VR TVs anymore. That's what a fad looks like.
- handfuloflight 2y ago
  Every day people were doing that with the Internet.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

How so? There are so many tangible applications already: reduced customers service costs, legal research, analysis of medical records or imaging, self-driving Waymos, and so on. Just the things I listed will have profound impacts on cost savings, productivity, and quality of life.

Nullabillity 2y ago
Little Boy certainly had "profound impacts on cost savings, productivity, and quality of life" in Hiroshima. Impact isn't inherently positive.

breakitmakeit 2y ago

I wrote a tested prototype MMO in the last few weekends with AI as my power tools. You're holding it wrong.

RugnirViking 2y ago
I'm VERY interested in your project. Not playing it, I mean more the techniques and tech stack. That sounds entirely out of my reach with an AI, and ive written game engines in c++ before. Networking, synchronisation problems, etc are really really hard. What process did you use with the AIs, any prompting insights - context, agentic prompts etc? What tech stack did you use that you found AIs were familliar enough with, ive found them woefully misinformed about most libraries and technologies ive tried them with in game development, often confidently mixing out of date and new information
- breakitmakeit 2y ago
  I'm using Cursor's composer agent mode with Sonnet 3.5 (I don't use OpenAI on principle, snakes). It does a great job of finding the relevant code without overloading its context window. I experimented today with Aider (to get R1 involved) and had less success, but it might be that I don't have the workflow down. I have found cursor can handle a .NET C# back-end using highly standard code structures very well. SignalR for networking. I've created servers and very basic HTML visualization for three projects - a fairly simple autobattler (took a day), a web-based beat-em-up (2 days), and now a bit more ambitiously my dream RTS-MMO (3rd weekend running). I started with concise MVP specifications including requirements for future scaling, and from these worked with the AI to make dot point architectural documents. Once we had those down I moved step-by-step, developing elements and tests simultaneously then having the agent automatically run the tests and debug. The test-driven debugging is the part that saved the most frustration, as the initial implementation was almost always broken, but leaving the agent to its own devices (tabbing in and typing "continue" when hitting Cursor's 25 tool call limit, sometimes for hours) the tests guided bug fixing and amazingly it got there fairly consistently, though occasionally it will go off the rails and start modifying the tests to pass or inventing unwanted functionality. The code is as standard as possible, with the servers all organized identically API -> Application -> Domain <- Infrastructure, and well separated between client/server. Getting basic HTML representations wasn't an issue, but it does begin to struggle and requires a lot more direction when it comes to client-side code that expands beyond initial visualization. I had a lot more success with Monogame C# than Phaser or other web formats (e.g. I quickly gave up on SFML, same issues you were having). I'm a professional game developer but without formal CS/programming training, so I'm aware of my requirements but not always how to implement them cleanly. I understand the code it writes which feels vital when it occasionally rolls a critical miss, but these projects would have taken me months without AI.

curvaturearth 2y ago

It certainly lets untrained people create stuff they probably should not

baq 2y ago

Only if you’re moving the goal posts every other week.