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Don't CEOs spend a lot of their time groveling to investors for money?

ninetyninenine 2y ago
We live in a hierarchical pyramid where there are alphas managing sub alphas and this happens at multiple resolutions within our society. The ceos are groveling to investors, aka billionaires. I guess those guys are the true alphas.
- ants_everywhere 2y ago
  For some public companies retail share holders also have to be groveled to. I don't have an overall point here other than that power isn't as simple as some people want it to be. You command a ship until there's a mutiny. There are hierarchies, but that's only one way of slicing things. It's more about a set of several feedback loops that nobody explicitly understands.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    Of course it’s not simple. But alphas and betas are intrinsic to society and that’s my point. You will see that society converges towards alphas. There have been attempts to make everything egalitarian but it doesn’t last and alphas pop up everywhere. Heck you can’t even make a purely voting society where society votes on everything. Instead everyone votes for an alpha. Aka trump.
    - myvoiceismypass 2y ago
      Citations, please. This may be a US-centric site, but that does not mean all societies on this planet behave like Americans.
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        Capital by Thomas Picketty. He’s French. I don’t like your tone. When you say not everyone behaves like Americans you sound like you’re implying superiority as if Americans don’t behave well and I have to conform to your version of good behavior. Change your tone or I won’t continue with you.
- yndoendo 2y ago
  You just redefined alpha as a person with money. I would argue that the wealthy which hold loans based on stock collateral are holding debt and not credit. US banking laws are just hiding the fact. So a number of rich people you define as alpha are not really alpha because of debt vs credit imbalance. This means the person spending money while going through Disney World are alpha.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    Bro I define an alpha as someone who leads and controls others. Someone people follow whether by will or by force or because they are paid a salary. You’re just being pedantic. I don’t need to explain to you why people intrinsically know Elon musk is an alpha and the person going to Disney world is a beta.
    - throw4847285 2y ago
      It is hilarious to see people use bro pseudo-science to reconstruct dialectical materialism.
    - darkerside 2y ago
      This is a very not HN comment
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        Sure HNers hate Elon for various reasons. But overall some random dude who goes to disney world versus A billionaire who caught a rocket and makes stupid tweets online.... Let's be real here about what "society" defines as alpha, not some HNers backwater opinion. ANd even that HNer knows his contrary opinion is backwater. Trump and Elon get a lot of hate, but they are leaders on the apex of the human status hierarchy.
        blackqueeriroh 2y ago
        > Trump and Elon get a lot of hate, but they are leaders on the apex of the human status hierarchy. Trump can’t spell “Colombia” and Elon is, at best, an idiot savant.

We live in a hierarchical pyramid where there are alphas managing sub alphas and this happens at multiple resolutions within our society. The ceos are groveling to investors, aka billionaires. I guess those guys are the true alphas.

ants_everywhere 2y ago
For some public companies retail share holders also have to be groveled to. I don't have an overall point here other than that power isn't as simple as some people want it to be. You command a ship until there's a mutiny. There are hierarchies, but that's only one way of slicing things. It's more about a set of several feedback loops that nobody explicitly understands.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  Of course it’s not simple. But alphas and betas are intrinsic to society and that’s my point. You will see that society converges towards alphas. There have been attempts to make everything egalitarian but it doesn’t last and alphas pop up everywhere. Heck you can’t even make a purely voting society where society votes on everything. Instead everyone votes for an alpha. Aka trump.
  - myvoiceismypass 2y ago
    Citations, please. This may be a US-centric site, but that does not mean all societies on this planet behave like Americans.
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      Capital by Thomas Picketty. He’s French. I don’t like your tone. When you say not everyone behaves like Americans you sound like you’re implying superiority as if Americans don’t behave well and I have to conform to your version of good behavior. Change your tone or I won’t continue with you.
yndoendo 2y ago
You just redefined alpha as a person with money. I would argue that the wealthy which hold loans based on stock collateral are holding debt and not credit. US banking laws are just hiding the fact. So a number of rich people you define as alpha are not really alpha because of debt vs credit imbalance. This means the person spending money while going through Disney World are alpha.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  Bro I define an alpha as someone who leads and controls others. Someone people follow whether by will or by force or because they are paid a salary. You’re just being pedantic. I don’t need to explain to you why people intrinsically know Elon musk is an alpha and the person going to Disney world is a beta.
  - throw4847285 2y ago
    It is hilarious to see people use bro pseudo-science to reconstruct dialectical materialism.
  - darkerside 2y ago
    This is a very not HN comment
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      Sure HNers hate Elon for various reasons. But overall some random dude who goes to disney world versus A billionaire who caught a rocket and makes stupid tweets online.... Let's be real here about what "society" defines as alpha, not some HNers backwater opinion. ANd even that HNer knows his contrary opinion is backwater. Trump and Elon get a lot of hate, but they are leaders on the apex of the human status hierarchy.
      - blackqueeriroh 2y ago
        > Trump and Elon get a lot of hate, but they are leaders on the apex of the human status hierarchy. Trump can’t spell “Colombia” and Elon is, at best, an idiot savant.