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This absurd denial of "anything coming out of China" has no place here, and ignoring groundbreaking research simply because it is from China will only leave you

This absurd denial of "anything coming out of China" has no place here, and ignoring groundbreaking research simply because it is from China will only leave you falling behind. I have no love for the CCP, and I believe that they are deceptive - but China has 1.4 billion people in it. It is not a monolith, and it is unsurprising that there would be good people doing good research in such a massive population.

dgfitz 2y ago
> will only leave you falling behind. Works for me! This whole llm movement and the insane amounts of money sloshing around aren’t setting off alarm bells for anyone else huh, just me?
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  You are just shifting to another nebulous criticism instead of substantiating anything about skepticism of research from Chinese people. It is clear to everyone in the room that recent ML innovations are incredibly powerful and actively being used in many areas to substantial effect. It may be overhyped, but there is clearly real fuel behind it, it's not all hot air.
redcobra762 2y ago
Except it absolutely operates as a monolith on corporate issues, and just because the Chinese government is able to throw trillions of dollars at problems doesn’t mean their innovations, when they rarely discover them, are fit for economic viability. DeepSeek is proof there isn’t a moat, not a demonstration of Chinese superiority in AI work. When you don’t care if your work makes any business sense, there’s often a lot you can appear to accomplish, until it needs to be sustained.
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  I'm not talking about "Chinese superiority" at all. I'm talking about whenever there is news about a positive thing happening in China, people make it about the Chinese government and China vs. the west. Not everything that happens in China needs to be about China vs. America.
  - redcobra762 2y ago
    Chinese government being an oppressive regime has nothing to do with the West, it's just the context that comes with news about Chinese companies.

dgfitz 2y ago

> will only leave you falling behind. Works for me! This whole llm movement and the insane amounts of money sloshing around aren’t setting off alarm bells for anyone else huh, just me?

Vegenoid 2y ago
You are just shifting to another nebulous criticism instead of substantiating anything about skepticism of research from Chinese people. It is clear to everyone in the room that recent ML innovations are incredibly powerful and actively being used in many areas to substantial effect. It may be overhyped, but there is clearly real fuel behind it, it's not all hot air.

redcobra762 2y ago

Except it absolutely operates as a monolith on corporate issues, and just because the Chinese government is able to throw trillions of dollars at problems doesn’t mean their innovations, when they rarely discover them, are fit for economic viability. DeepSeek is proof there isn’t a moat, not a demonstration of Chinese superiority in AI work. When you don’t care if your work makes any business sense, there’s often a lot you can appear to accomplish, until it needs to be sustained.

Vegenoid 2y ago
I'm not talking about "Chinese superiority" at all. I'm talking about whenever there is news about a positive thing happening in China, people make it about the Chinese government and China vs. the west. Not everything that happens in China needs to be about China vs. America.
- redcobra762 2y ago
  Chinese government being an oppressive regime has nothing to do with the West, it's just the context that comes with news about Chinese companies.